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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan10.053524.16271@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Dec28.115856.25977@hemlock.cray.com> <aidler.725614614@sanjuan> <1992Dec29.104355.24368@hemlock.cray.com>
- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1993 05:35:24 GMT
- Lines: 71
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- In article <1992Dec29.104355.24368@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >In article <aidler.725614614@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
- >>mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >>
- >>>In article <aidler.725417859@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
- >>>>I have to disagree that the pregnant woman or her physician
- >>>>alone have the right to terminate the life of the child.
- >>>>The child has a right to life (and quality of life) that must
- >>>>be balanced with the mother's right to life (and quality of
- >>>>life).
- >>>>
- >>>So, if a few women more women lose their lives, or
- >>>their 'quality of life' would that be more 'balanced'?
- >>
- >>An independent party needs to consider the opinion of
- >>experts along with the interests of mother and child and
- >>evaluate how realistic the woman's desire for an
- >>abortion is compared with any reasonable alternatives.
- >>
- >You seem to think that women are not capable of
- >making decisions for themselves.
-
- Capable, yes. But what I think Mr. Idler is saying is that the decision
- a woman makes is likely to be the one that furthers _her_ personal
- interests, whereas the decision that an independent party makes is more
- likely to be one which furthers _society's_ interests. There's a
- big difference between "capable of making a decision" and "capable of
- making the BEST decision".
-
- >>>>Therefore, the *only* way to provide an independent
- >>>>ajudication of these rights and do the best for all considered
- >>>>is to have the state provide an impartial tribunal to
- >>>>evaluate the situation.
- >>
- >>>This is not best for the woman. Even when her request
- >>>is granted, she would be subjected to humiliating and
- >>>demeaning inquisition by strangers who may not always
- >>>have her best interests at heart.
- >>
- >>If there is a procedure to make this operate while
- >>preserving the dignity of those involved, I'd certainly
- >>entertain it because it would be more likely that
- >>people would support it.
- >
- >If someone wanted to be your dictator, but promised
- >to be a benevolent despot, would you be more likely
- >to support it?
-
- If I had the practical option to overthrow the despot if he or she ceased
- being benevolent, sure...
-
- >>Could the woman be given the option of remaining
- >>anonymous?
- >>
- >Why not just let her keep the option of making
- >her own decisions?
-
- Why not fly to the moon?
-
- You could at least LISTEN to his proposal, Muriel, before launching
- into the standard rhetoric.
-
- >You cannot give legal rights to fetuses without
- >removing rights from born women. Would there be any
- >equivalent forfeiture of rights for males under your
- >system?
-
- Have you got any constructive suggestions in mind? (Forced, unnecessary organ
- donations, and/or body mutilation are NOT constructive suggestions, IMO).
-
- - Kevin
-