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- From: parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker)
- Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
- References: <1992Dec29.111932.26271@hemlock.cray.com> <1992Dec30.005736.24210@rotag.mi.org> <C0BJBH.45q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan6.031310.24214@rotag.mi.org>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1993 21:12:49 GMT
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- kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
-
- >In article <C0BJBH.45q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> parker@ehsn5.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker) writes:
-
- >>A fetus is *not* independent; it requires the processed resources of
- >>the mother.
-
- >Wrong. A viable fetus does not need the processed resources "of the mother"
- >specifically -- it can survive off of processed resources from various sources.
- >In this sense it is not dependent on a specific person. This is a form of
- >independence.
-
- I did not say "viable fetus" I just said "fetus". I will agree that a
- *viable* fetus could be removed (induced labor, usually) and sustained by
- other means (which tend to be rather expensive). (just to clarify this for
- those who are following along) I have heard many times (in t.a) that
- relatively few abortions are performed after viability, and I don't fight
- as hard to support them.
-
- >I would also suggest that perhaps you should procure a better dictionary.
- >I'm too lazy to type the whole thing in, but in my OED, the subsection of
- >the "autonomy" entry dealing specifically with biological meanings of the
- >word gives a couple of quotes -- one which refers to the branches of a
- >tree having "autonomy", and one which refers to the different types of
- >body tissue (muscles, nerves, etc.) as having "autonomy". If these things
- >have "autonomy", wouldn't a viable fetus have it too?
-
- First of all, as an American, I don't want to turn to an *English* dictionary
- to find definitions of words as I see them used around me. ;) Second of all,
- I don't have room for a really large all-knowing, all-powerful dictionary,
- and I probably couldn't afford it anyway. My dad got a free *unabridged*
- Random House dictionary (longer title than that, but I forget it exactly),
- but it is a few hudred miles away from my network access. And besides, many
- of those definitions you cited are obviously out of the context of this
- discussion. Since you are the one making bodily autonomy arguemnts (aren't
- you? I'm getting a bit confused), I would hope that you would understand
- the context meant by "bodily autonomy" (as opposed to "organ autonomy" or
- "tissue autonomy").
-
- > - Kevin
-
- -Rob
-