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- From: lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil
- Subject: Re: I became pro-life...and pro-choice...
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- References: <1993Jan5.150542.15081@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <C0GByD.DA4@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <1993Jan7.005152.24701@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 23:43:34 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan7.005152.24701@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
- gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
- >In article <C0GByD.DA4@ra.nrl.navy.mil> lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil writes:
- >}In article <1993Jan5.150542.15081@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
- >}gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis) writes:
- >
- >}I found your last post enlightening and somewhat saddening. You seem to base
- a
- >}large part of you life's philosophy on the failure of laws to overcome human
- >}nature. One can follow your reasoning for awhile and ultimately conclude
- that
- >}anarchy is the way to go.
- >
- >One might conclude that anarchy is the way to go. I don't base a large
- >part of my life's philosophy on the failure of law to overcome human
- >nature, however. I simply haven't the faith that some have that law
- >can overcome human nature.
-
- > .... I think if you look at what
- >even convicted felons say you will find that they are much more
- >concerned about enforcement and post-arrest processing than they
- >are about any particular legislation.
-
- The fact that felons are concerned about enforcement seems a strong argument in
- favor of legislation.
-
- I would hardly charactarize women who have abortions today as being felons. I
- mean "felons" in the sense that living outside the law is a way of life. Making
- abortion difficult to obtain will make women look towards other, non-lethal,
- options.
- >
- >}I am very pro-legislation against abortion.
- >
- >It seems that quite a number of people are, although I am at a loss
- >to understand what they base their "pro" feelings on. And I have
- >asked for evidence for years...
-
- I will allow you your "realism" if you allow me my optimism in believing that
- if abortion were made illegal it could not be done without accompanying
- legislation forcing strict accountabilty by the father as well as real support
- programs for single pregnant woman and mothers.
-
-
- >
- >}A very good case can be made for the legalization of drugs. People come up
- >}with "practical" reasons why legalization wouldn't work, but I think we all
- >}know that the real reason drugs aren't legal is the old "we don't want to
- send
- >}the wrong message" bugaboo.
- >
- >I'm not at all sure of that. The reason drugs aren't legal may be a
- >bit more sinister than that. I'm not convinced at all that people pay
- >much attention to the message, if any, that legal status of anything
- >might send.
-
- Politicians do.
-
- >
- >}Could you think of a society where murder were legal?? Think about it. Yes,
- >}the laws probably don't stop anyone from murder, but...
- >
- >I have thought about it. As others will affirm, I am not particularily
- >opposed to the legality of "murder," nor would I be particularily afraid
- >if "murder" were to be legal.
-
- I'm don't at all see where that indifference comes from. There are some
- extremely desensitized people out there who have no inhibition but the law
- preventing them from the easy kill. That inhibition my be impotent a lot of
- the time, but thank God for the times it makes the potential murderer think
- twice.
-
- >
- >}In
- >}my life I try very hard to alleviate the suffering of women. There are ways
- to
- >}do it, it's no where near as easy as snuffing out the life of the offending
- >}child, but it can be done.
- >
- >That's a nice sentiment, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the
- >legal status of abortion. Or do you believe (wrongly, I might add) that
- >those who are pro-choice also advocate abortion?
-
- 1) That wasn't my point. I was addressing the scenario where a women who
- can't find access to abortion could still have here difficulties dealt with by
- a caring society.
-
- 2) I feel that from a the standpoint of net-effect on the unborn, whether you
- call yourself "pro-abortion" or "pro-choice" makes no difference. To say for
- instance, "I'm against dumping raw sewage in the lake and would never do it,
- but its OK for you to choose to do it" doesn't help the pro-choicer's property
- values one bit.
- >
- >
- >
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