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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Cycle 3 in my corresponcence with Mark on fetal tissue
- Date: 7 Jan 1993 17:24:24 -0800
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- In article <1993Jan8.000909.6396@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >In article <1ifv7vINNpea@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
- >regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- >>forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
- >
- >>> Ya just don't get it, Mark. Those organs were not the parents' to donate.
- >>> Their baby was STILL USING THEM. They were HERS, and HERS alone, and she
- >>> had every right to keep them. For pro-"choicers" who that like to talk big
- >>> about people having the right to THEIR OWN bodies, this case shows them
- >>> up particularly well as the hypocrites they are.
- >
- >> Uh, you did say "her" didn't you? Well, if the pro-lifers have their way,
- >> Suzanne, she won't be able to claim her WOMB is 'hers and hers alone', so
- >> why should you be able to claim in her stead (especially believing as you
- >> apparently do) that her organs are hers and hers alone? If the state can
- >> commandeer a woman's womb, why not her corneas? Why not her kidneys?
- >> Why not her liver? It's to *save a life*! after all. So why not?
- >
- >There's a thin line between killing and refusing to save a life
- >which you seem to have ignored.
-
- Hmm, first Suzanne, not Doug.
-
- I don't think I'm ignoring anything Doug, Suzanne. I think I'm pointing
- out a basic hypocracy in Suzanne's statement. The pro-life contingent
- does not consider a woman's body 'hers and hers alone' to do with as she
- sees fit.
-
- And, I don't think benign neglect is OK, either, which is the foolish
- result of your argument, Doug, and Suzanne's equally shortsighted reply.
-
- >you're talking
- >about killing a living human being so that another may benefit.
-
- I'm not. I'm talking about Suzanne's claiming 'hers and hers alone'
- in one case, but not another. Frankly, I don't think that taking
- organs from a damaged body before it stops living on it's own is OK, but I
- wasn't addressing Mark's point, I was addressing Suzanne's.
-
- Shooot, Doug, wrong again.
-
- >No matter how much you wish it to be, abortion is not "refusing
- >to save a life", it is killing.
-
- You have no idea of what I wish or don't wish, but you are wrong anyhow.
- Abortion is removing a fetus from the woman's body.
-
- Adrienne Regard
-