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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Efficiency in child support
- Message-ID: <1993Jan7.183504.1014@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1h0fiiINN23m@gap.caltech.edu> <1992Dec20.223342.20343@rotag.mi.org> <1h40c0INNn52@gap.caltech.edu>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 18:35:04 GMT
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- In article <1h40c0INNn52@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >
- >>Okay, if you wish, I'll make this a global question, instead of just a
- >>national one (although I do this under protest, since I think global politics
- >>is irrelevant to the central question of child support): would you prefer the
- >>world to adopt a global "lottery" system of child support, as I have recently
- >>described, or a global "genetics-based" system of child support, such as we
- >>currently have here in the USA? Please explain the reasoning behind your
- >>answer.
- >
- >I prefer the "genetic-based" system that devolves on personal responsibility.
-
- Personal responsibility, right. With the teensy-weensy little "exception" of
- completely ignoring a woman's failure to abort, i.e. the Last Clear Chance
- for ANYONE to avoid the child support expenses, in the determination of
- liability. Perhaps the word you wanted was "degenerates", rather than
- "devolves"...
-
- >I think the socialist ideals inherent in the "lottery" system have been
- >fairly well discredited by the events of the last few years.
-
- And the fascist ideals of scapegoating one segment of the population for
- universal problems have likewise been discredited by the events of the last
- few decades, if not centuries (remember when slavery "solved" all the Old
- South's economic problems; I don't, do you? But I've read my history, and
- learned from it).
-
- Just mumbling "socialism" and waving your hands around isn't very convincing,
- Michal. After all, my lottery proposal was created to attain YOUR stated goal
- of ensuring that every child is adequately supported. And it attains that
- goal admirably. If the finished proposal is "socialist", then how much more
- "socialist" must be >>YOUR<< goal, for which it was created.
-
- >(Besides, just thinking of the bureacracy involved makes me shudder!)
-
- There would clearly be LESS bureaucracy, Michal. Paternity battles, blood
- tests et al. would be a thing of the past -- computers can pick thousands of
- numbers randomly off a list without even breaking a sweat, figuratively
- speaking. And there would be far less enforcement problems with support
- donors who don't make their payments, since the list would be pre-scanned for
- donors who could easily afford the liability.
-
- Face it, Michal, _if_ all you cared about was the welfare of illegitimate
- children, and the efficiency of the system which provides their support,
- the "pure" lottery system would make a hell of a lot more sense than the de
- facto "genetic lottery" system we have today. Of all measures, the genetic
- similarity of a parent to their child is about the *worst* gauge of the
- former's ability to financially support the latter. Practically anything else
- would be more efficient than a system based on that.
-
- Why don't you just admit that you're using abortion rights as a badly-disguised
- political power conduit for granting women certain unjustifiable economic and
- social advantages over men? Many of the Fems who have played apologist to the
- current paternity child support status quo have eventually come out and
- admitted their true motivation: "because men have larger incomes than women".
- I find such candor refreshing. What I have yet to see, though, is the full
- sentence:
-
- because men have larger incomes, and generally a weaker & more
- controllable parenting instinct, than women do
-
- You wanna "cut men down to size", doncha, Michal? Despite all of the red
- herrings tossed out about how male-choicers want to compensate, legislatively,
- for biological inequities, ironically, the converse is actually true -- the
- current laws are set up to compensate WOMEN for their disproportionately-large
- parenting-instinct drives. You wanna drag us into the stereotypical,
- traditionalist model (which was originally created by men, of course) of
- "Mommy takes care of the kids, Daddy goes to work and brings home money" while
- all the while mouthing off the modern trendy rhetoric about how "independent"
- you are, and how your kids are being raised free of "male interference",
- right? You want it _both_ ways. One foot in the future; the other solidly
- planted in the past. And, as we speak, you _can_ have it all, because of a
- temporary legal aberration. Enjoy your privileges while they last.
-
- - Kevin
-