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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
- Message-ID: <1993Jan6.160656.4107@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:06:56 GMT
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- In article <C0FF9F.En8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >
- >>In article <C0CBty.n1y@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >
- >>>I freely admit that a preborn baby human being is not LEGALLY defined
- >>>as a "person". The moral and scientific evidence that it SHOULD be
- >>>defined as such has been beat to death already.
- >>>
- >>When? All I've ever seen is medical and scientific evidence that it is
- >>*not* a person. As in, not sentient etc. Care to show otherwise?
- >
- >Is a newborn sentient? Is a person in a coma sentient? Is a sleeper
- >sentient? Is a mentally retarded person sentient?
- >
- I'll address these one at a time.
- "Is a newborn sentient?"
- Yes. There is evidence that infants as early as a day or so are capable
- of recognising their mothers.
-
- "Is a person in a coma sentient?"
- Depends on the coma, and the amount of brain damage the person has
- suffered.
-
- "Is a sleeper sentient?"
- Certainly. Just wake them up if you doubt it...
-
- "Is a mentally retarded person sentient?"
- Certainly. We have a gentleman working at the hospital in the kitchen
- who is MR, and I don't think anybody disputes his sentience.
-
- >>I see that in addition to not being able to define the limits of your
- >>own body, you don't under stand the difference between pro-choice and
- >>pro-abortion. Gordon is pro-abort, I'm pro-choice.
- >
- >Conceded.
- >
- How nice of you to admit the obvious.
-
- >>But since you claim you're looking things up and curing your
- >>ignorance, then post some of this mythical evidence that shows that a
- >>fetus is a person.
- >
- >I really don't see the point. It's all been said before. Viability,
- >personhood, quickening, whatever...
- >
- Nice vague answer, considering that all the evidence wrt the
- characteristics you mentioned indicate that a fetus (especially the
- 90+% of them which are aborted before the earliest possible date of
- viability) are in no way people.
-
- >If God himself plopped down in front of you and said abortion was wrong
- >you'd still find a way to ignore Him.
- >
- If I were confronted by a purported god, I would expect him/her to
- validate this claim by providing evidence. Much as we have repeatedly
- asked you to provide evidence to support your claims. If the claimant
- provided no more support then you have been able to, I would take
- him/her no more seriously then I do you.
- After his credentials wrt godhood were estabilished, then I would
- discuss the issue. Right after he/she explained some of the more
- idiotic things attributed to him.
-
- >[Lotsa Lotsa stuff deleted]
- >> Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- Oh look, there's that "way cool" userid that you want people to haze
- me about... :)
-
- >Edward Simmonds
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
- Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
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