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- From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.183353.27500@hemlock.cray.com>
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- References: <ueff8ho@zola.esd.sgi.com> <bob1.726256611@cos> <C0EKLv.CI@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 18:33:53 CST
-
- In article <C0EKLv.CI@ra.nrl.navy.mil> lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil writes:
- >In article <bob1.726256611@cos> bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) writes:
- >>In <ueff8ho@zola.esd.sgi.com> cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C J Silverio) writes:
- >>>psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) snipes:
- >>>|>>|> >You are a bitter person Muriel.
- >>
- >>Paul, to my recollection you haven't been posting here for very
- >>long. Of course, you may have been lurking in the shadows for
- >>some time, but there is no way to tell.
- >>
- >>However, if you work at it really hard, you might achieve the
- >>level of humanity that Muriel has shown, so it might behove you
- >>to cease making snap judgements. Just a thought.
- >>
- >>>nadja@jetsun.weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes:
- >>>|Sorry Paul. We women in this group are used to being called bitter.
- >>>|Say what you mean. What you mean is Muriel doesn't agree with you and
- >>>|doesn't know her place. [...]
- >>>C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us
- >>>"People call me feminist whenever I express sentiments that
- >>>differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute." --Rebecca West
- >>
- >>I'd tell you some of the things I've been called, but I normally
- >>don't use such language.
- >>
- My thanks to one and all who've responded to Paul's
- comment. Having grown up among women who considered
- doormatcy a virtue, it pleases me very much to have
- the opportunity to stand in the way of the backlash
- bandwagon. Note that a male-choicer even mentioned
- today, in this very forum, the possibility of removing
- suffrage, when abortion rights are gone.
- >
- >I'm not sure why you left off the invective Muriel rattled off just prior to me
- >making that comment. I don't doubt her humanity, but I'm surprised at how
- >quick people are to jump to name-calling as a first resort. I'm sorry, but
- >that sounds pretty bitter to me.
- >
- Perhaps we should restore the comment _you_ made which
- inspired my 'invective'. Seems to me you were sneering
- at the prospect of women dying.
-
- from <1992Dec29.114352.28023@hemlock.cray.com>
- ===============================================================
-
- In article <C015K3.Ip4@ra.nrl.navy.mil> psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
- >Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- >In article <1992Dec28.115856.25977@hemlock.cray.com> mon@cray.com (Muriel
- >Nelson) writes:
-
- [I'm responding to Alan Idler]
- >> What if 'fairly rapidly' is too slow, and the woman
- >> dies? What if facing a 'state tribunal' is too intimidating?
- >> Woulf you like to go back to the days of illegal, unsterile,
- >> or self-induced abortion?
- >>
- >> muriel
- >
- >Guess what Muriel? There were fewer abortion related deaths back then than
- >now -
- >try a different line of rhetoric. I know, the standard, "back alley, coat
- >hanger" image is so juicy and hard to resist by pro-aborts. Keeps those
- >undecided folks shaking in their shoes.
- >
- I'm sure you'll be supporting this claim with documentation
- from unbiased sources, which will include the disclaimer
- about the difficulty in gathering statistics concerning
- what was at the time an illegal activity.
-
- This is not just rhetoric for me, you misogynist twit.
- I almost lost my best friend to a self-induced abortion
- in 1969. I do not want to see one of my daughters lose
- a friend in this manner. I'm prepared to fight your
- agenda in order to protect the rights of young women
- to make choices about their bodies.
- ================================================================
-
- I really don't care what Paul decides to call me.
- I don't intend to quietly tolerate his revisionism,
- though.
-
- muriel
- standard disclaimer
-