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- Path: sparky!uunet!walter!att-out!cbnewsj!decay
- From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Organization: AT&T
- Distribution: na
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 18:09:11 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.180911.11405@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- References: <C05918.653@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <1993Jan4.133209.20757@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <C0E0rw.6KA@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
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- In article <C0E0rw.6KA@ra.nrl.navy.mil> lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil writes:
- > In article <1993Jan4.133209.20757@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
- > (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- > >Paul Lebow is now answering his own strawman argument.
- > >He, curiously, deleted my demonstration of how he is
- > >completely wrong in his statement of what Heather's
- > >question assumed, and responds instead to his own
- > >remarks of what Heather's question assumed.
- > >
- > Dean Kaflowitz objects to my interpretation of a question posed by Heather, "Do
- > you know of any way to give rights to a fetus without taking away rights from
- > the pregnant woman?" I pointed out that the question has an obvious answer:
- > one can not.
-
- You spent hundreds of lines avoiding an answer to the question, and
- finally grudgingly admit an answer. A reasonable debater would
- answer the question and then address the logical consequences.
-
- > To me, a question with an obvious answer is, by definition,
- > rhetorical. It is a statement rather than a real question.
- > There's nothing
- > wrong with that, but I feel totally justified in my interpretation.
-
- Isn't that special? This is really all so much spin-control by
- you Mr Lebow. You originally answered the question by stating
- that Heather's question assumed certain conclusions. I demonstrated
- that it did not. You avoided that discussion entirely, and now
- declare victory ("I feel totally justified..."). The fact remains
- that your interpretation was incorrect; the assumptions you assigned
- to Heather's question were not inherent in the question but instead
- were your own inferences.
-
- > If the question were, "How will the rights of a the pregnant woman change if
- > the unborn is given increased rights?" I would consider this a meaningful
- > question.
-
- So what?
-
- > As I said before, I think your reinterpretation of Heather's question and
- > invalidation of my inferences to be quite presumptuous.
-
-
- So sorry, darling. I consider myself thoroughly chastised. Last
- time I felt this way, I'd forgotten to extend my pinkie whilst
- sipping tea at a garden party. Imagine my mortification.
-
- Well, at least you admit that they were inferences and not
- inherent in Heather's question. It's a start. I find your
- declaration of victory very amusing. The technique always tickles me.
-
- Dean Kaflowitz
-
- She got a nosejob
- She got a nosejob
- Her schnozz turns up instead of hanging down
- She got a nosejob
- She got a nosejob
- And now she's the prettiest girl in town.
- -From an album put out by Mad magazine about 25 years ago
-