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- From: noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan)
- Subject: Re: Who are you guys?
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- In article <1993Jan4.195306.862@ncsu.edu>, dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- |> In article <1993Jan4.163857.10936@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- |> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- |> >dsh@eceyv.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- |> >>noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- |>
- |> >>> 4) Those who hold that abortions are ok for everyone.
- |>
- |> >> Position 4 is not logically consistent if a person does not
- |> >> condone infanticide in all cases.
- |>
- |> > Your statement is only correct if the person believes the infant
- |> > is not a person. Position 4 is logically consistent if the person
- |> > believes the fetus is not a person.
- |>
- |> The belief that a child becomes a person when the child is born
- |> is a belief with no logical foundation. I have not seen any
- |> reasoning which could support that belief, in which the position
- |> is derived from a set of general moral principles. I don't see
- |> why an unsupported position can be labeled as being 'logically
- |> consistent'.
-
- An argument is logically consistent if it follows from it's premises.
- The premise is that one becomes a person when one is removed alive
- from the womb. The conclusion that all abortions are ok is the logical
- result. If *I* were to attack this argument, I would attack its
- premise, because the rest of the reasoning appears to be sound (i.e.
- it is logically consistent).
-
- |> > This does not make it correct.
- |>
- |> Agreed.
- |>
- |> > The main point of my post was that the two extreme positions seem
- |> > to be logically consistent to me, and that I required more
- |> > explanation to understand (position 2) why if abortion is wrong
- |> > there can be exceptions ("liberal pro-life"), and (position 3) why
- |> > abortion is wrong for one person and ok for others (pro-choice).
- |>
- |> Positions 1,2, and 3 have some logical foundation, in which
- |> the position is derived from a set of general moral principles.
- |> The differences between the positions is a result of the differences
- |> between the underlying moral principles. Position 4 has no
- |> similar foundation--it is an unsupported belief.
- |>
- |> > I appreciate your attempt to explain position 2.
- |>
- |> You mean I wasn't successful? :(
-
- You did help. I believe the most logically inconsistent position
- to be 3 (pro-choicers who think abortion is wrong but think they
- have no right to lobby for legislation against it).
-
- Alas, I shall never know as this is the last time I will have access
- to the net for several (read 5) months.
-
- |> >Mike Noonan
- |>
- |>
- |> Doug Holtsinger
- |>
-
- Goodbye.
-
- Mike Noonan
-