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- From: J.W.Harley@newcastle.ac.uk (Jon Harley)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Lifestyle (was Re: Coming out to family)
- Message-ID: <C0HKnH.B3n@newcastle.ac.uk>
- Date: 7 Jan 93 13:40:29 GMT
- References: <1992Dec23.222808.18332@midway.uchicago.edu>
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- In <1992Dec23.222808.18332@midway.uchicago.edu> (yes, I'm that far behind)
- pmm7@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:
-
- >In article <BzDwGy.3so@cscns.com> rks@cscns.com (gisle j benediktsson) writes:
- >>I guess I really don't consider my lifestyle to be any of my family's
- >>business. It is not up to them to 'accept' me. They have two options in
- >>my own view: they can either accept it or they can fuck off. (That is
- >>assuming that I have a piece of information that I may choose to share
- >>with them.)
- >
- >hmmm....
- >i don't consider bisexuality to be my "lifestyle". it is
- >a part of who i am, and i am not comfortable being secretive
- >about who i am with people who are much less significant in
- >my life than my family. to hide this from them feels distinctly
- >dishonest.
- >
- >the word "lifestyle" conjures up images of a chosen way of
- >living. i didn't choose this. i have yet to find out what
- >the "gay", "lesbian", or "bisexual" (let alone "queer"!)
- >"lifestyle" is! it does seem that often the only thing the
- >queers i know have in common is their sexuality, just like
- >straights.
-
- I think there's a distinction to be drawn here, between inclination and
- behaviour. I didn't choose my sexuality either. But I do choose to sleep
- with people rather than be celibate. Of course, the only thing queers have
- in common is our sexuality, because queer is a sexuality. But the bisexual
- lifestyle, for instance, is one in which you act on your attractions to
- both sexes. In other words, that is a chosen way of living.
-
- >if you don't want to share your lifestyle, what ever it may
- >be, with others, no problem. i don't really care what you
- >do behind closed doors. but in our culture, sexuality is
- >no more a lifestyle than is gender or ethnic make-up. it is
- >a part of who you are. and that is another matter altogether.
-
- True. Of course, no-one has any obligation to tell others about *either*
- lifestyle *or* sexuality.
-
- >also, for me being out means being out. it's a matter of
- >personal dignity. i also agree with the earlier posting
- >(i forgot who) who wants to turn his family from potential
- >'phobes to lgb friendly folks. i want to be accepted for
- >myself, for my younger sister (also a lesbian), for my kids
- >who may or may not be queer.
- >
- >call me an assimilationist.
- >;)
-
- Peg you're an assimilationist :)
- I agree with every word about dignity and being accepted for oneself.
-
- >>It really bothers me that people seem to be bothered about this?Why in
- >>the world do we have a tendency to give these people so much power?
- >
- >your family of origin already has power. they are a part of
- >of who you are, and helped form your personality, if we are to
- >have any faith at all in modern psychology. <grimace>
-
- Seems a reasonable proposition to me.
-
- >however, it seems to me that by hiding things from them, you
- >are potentially giving them *much* *much* more power. being
- >forcibly or unpleasantly outed is no fun. if you come out
- >to your parents, then *you* have some power and control over
- >the circumstances. and then you don't have to hide or worry
- >anymore.
-
- Right on. Coming out to family can be at best very beneficial all round.
- (Everyone can imagine what it can be like at worst).
-
- >of course, if the religious right is correct, and what queers
- >want is to destroy famili, then we should all just cut our f
- >families off and go off into our queer lifestyle and never speak
- >to any of them again.
-
- Hardly worth mentioning the claim really: I'm queer and I don't want to
- destroy the family therefore it's not true.
-
- >some of us end up doing that because we have no choice. <sigh>
- >but every person (families included) educated, clued in that
- >lbg's are *people*, people they know, love, and want to have
- >around is one less 'phobe or potential 'phobe. and are less
- >likely to tolerate 'phobes, and 'phobic laws, customs, etc.
- >
- >i guess i'm an idealist, too. <sigh>
-
- Glad I'm not the only one.
-
- >peg-
- >ranting again...
-
- Rant more often then please :-)
-
- /jon
-
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