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- From: greason@ptdcs2.intel.com (Jeff Greason ~)
- Subject: Re: Let's be more specific (was: Stupid Shut Cost arguements)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan7.034841.19216@ptdcs2.intel.com>
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- Organization: Intel Corporation -- Aloha, Oregon
- References: <1993Jan4.214819.14834@iti.org> <1993Jan5.215441.21415@ke4zv.uucp> <ewright.726343877@convex.convex.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 03:48:41 GMT
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- In article <ewright.726343877@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
- >In <1993Jan5.215441.21415@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes:
- >
- >The Shuttle also has zero availability, if your time frame is the
- >next few days. Your car has zero availability, if your time frame
- >is the next 30 seconds. (I'm assuming you're not a track star.)
- >Soyuz spacecraft/launchers purchased from the Russians have zero
- >availability, if your time frame is the next six months. DC-1
- >has zero availability, if your time frame is the next four years.
-
- and...
-
- >Switching from the Shuttle to Vehicle X would certainly delay
- >some payloads and missions currently planned to fly aboard the
- >Shuttle. But remaining with the Shuttle might delay other
- >payloads and missions that are not yet planned but could be
- >flown on Vehicle X. You can't just look at one side of the
- >equation; you need to do a complete cost-benefit analysis.
-
- <plus discussion on "turf battles" by shuttle deleted>
-
- While your arguments about availability are sound in principle, they
- ignore the element of risk. Shuttle availability has a long time window
- to availability, in months, but it is reasonably likely to be available
- when predicted to be, with some error margin <error margin because the
- schedule is ill-controlled, only "reasonably likely" because of the
- possiblity of another crippling accident shutting the STS down>
-
- While I believe the DC-X and DC-Y programs should continue (although I'm
- not as sold as I once was), the uncertainty associated with the "four
- year" time frame is, to say the least, very large. While I THINK that
- the program can be managed with reasonable deadlines, and I THINK that
- DC-Y, if funded, will eventually demonstrate that SSTO is feasible, there
- is a very significant risk with both of these. One point that gets lost
- is that while DC-X is "bent metal" and will solidly demonstrate the
- "quick turn" aspects of a launch vehicle (or not), it will NOT demonstrate
- the key SSTO capability of a vehicle with the extremely small "dry mass"
- necessary to make SSTO work -- that is left for DC-Y. So, in spite of
- the encouraging signs, such as DC-X maintaining a close adherence to
- schedule, the risks are still very, very significant.
-
- This is not a criticism of the DC program -- far from it! If there were no
- risk associated with the program, it would, by definition, have to have
- extremely conservative targets, and "If you always do what you've always
- done, you always get what you've always got". So it is essential that the
- DC program take some risks if it is to demonstrate new concepts.
- Intelligent management (which I will never accuse NASA of), can reduce those
- risks, but not eliminate them.
-
- This is a fairly long-winded lead in to say that no matter how great DC
- may be, you cannot stop shuttle flights before an operational DC capability
- exists, or else your "downside risk" is an undetermined period of years,
- with no upper bound, before a manned spaceflight capability is
- reestablished. Given the current political/budgetary climate, that might be
- a very, very long time. This is NOT because of any advantage of the shuttle
- -- in my opinion it probably has none -- but because it is the ONLY system
- which we PRESENTLY have.
-
- Murphy willing, the DC program might change that, in which case we can (and
- should) retire the shuttles to the Smithsonian.
-
- Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, and do not reflect the
- position of Intel, Portland State University, or Zippy the Pinhead.
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- Jeff Greason "You lock the door ... And throw away the key.
- <greason@ptdcs2.intel.com> There's someone in my head, but it's not me."
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