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- From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells)
- Subject: Re: Orbital elements of junk in space wanted
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.153035.29862@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
- References: <1i5ncmINNh0g@clinet.fi| <32886@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 15:30:35 GMT
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- >|I'm looking for a '2-line orbital elements list' of junk, i.e. deceased
- >|satellites, rocket-bodies and other debris that is still in orbit.
- >|I have one very old list, but where could I get a list that is up to
- >|date? (I don't know from where I got the list I have)
- >|
- >Two-line orbital elements for **every unclassified object in orbit**
- >are available on the Reports and Information Dissemination Remote
- >Bulletin Board System by modem. Phone (301) 306-0010.
- >--
- >Bruce Watson (wats@scicom) Bulletin 629-49 Item 6700 Extract 75,131
-
- Sorry Bruce, thanks for playing. Seeing how _I_ work with the entire
- satcat on a daily basis, I must inform you that the Unclass elsets that are
- found at this BBS cannot be the entire list. That's right, you are not
- allowed to know about ALL the Unclass birds (or pieces thereof). For
- example, a piece of (or whole for that matter) R/B of a Class sat can
- sometimes be classified as Unclass. However, with a little bit of work, I
- can find out the Classified payload's elset by looking at the R/B's orbit.
- Simple. Also, there are a number of Unclass rekkie birds out there...but
- with a little history file, you can easily find out where it was looking
- at at a certain time (especially if we maneuvered it over to get a better
- shot).
-
- HOWEVER! Most pieces of space debris are legit Unclass objects with no
- interest to anyone save the debris community (my guys). Therefore,
- (no exact figures allowed, sorry) "a large majority" of debris pieces are
- probably at the above site (which I imagine gets its info from NASA...which
- is where the best civilian (public domain) Unclass satcat can be found).
- I highly doubt it is the same satcat I get that is pumped out of the Mountain.
-
- Note to all! The more people studying orbital debris, the better. It is
- a real problem, but without more public support, the issue will not become
- "important" until a satellite gets clobbered.
-
- Enjoy,
- Fuzzy.
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- _ __/| | Lt. David "Fuzzy" Wells | "There's always an easy solution to
- \'o.O' | HQ AFSPACECOM/CNA | every human problem...
- =(___)= | Space Debris Guru | ...neat, plausible, and wrong."
- U ...ack!| wdwells@esprit.uccs.edu | H.L. MENCKEN
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-
- BTW: I cannot give out Unclass elset files except to government agencies via
- a written request. Even this is subject to approval. Sorry. I highly
- recommend using NASA's satcat (found at your favorite astro BBS or ftp site).
-
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