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- From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
- Subject: Re: Stupid Shut Cost arguements (was Re: Terminal Velocity
- Message-ID: <1993Jan5.145312.26531@iti.org>
- Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
- References: <1993Jan4.180947.20495@iti.org> <1993Jan5.003325.26043@iti.org> <4JAN199322375651@judy.uh.edu>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 14:53:12 GMT
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- In article <4JAN199322375651@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:
-
- >Allen I put a question to you. Do you think that if we grounded the Shuttle
- >permanently tomorrow, laid off all personell involved in the Shuttle's overhead
- >and began work on the DC series that the rest of the money would be available
- >for other uses in space?
-
- If a worthwhile plan for the money where put forth, we would keep 80% to
- 90% of it. At this level money in Congress tends to come top down, not
- bottom up. NASA gets $15B a year because that is how much clout it and its
- supporters have. That money went up under Reagan and bush mostly because
- both where strong supporters of space which gave NASA more clout.
-
- > [model deleted]
-
- This model fails the test put to it in 89. According to your model, when
- Bush proposed SEI in 89 it should have triggered another increase in
- NASA funds (like Shuttle and station did). It didn't.
-
- >Again, I support the DC program, it should be funded.
-
- Funding a NASA SSTO to compete with the Air Force SSTO is only one of
- the things we could do. We would still have an additional couple of billion
- $$ for other projects.
-
- >You are not considering
- >political reality if you think that the sacrifice of the billions spent on
- >shuttle would gain the DC program a dime however.
-
- Of course not. DC is funded under a different bucket of $$. It has nothing
- to do with NASA. However, a competing NASA program would be a good idea.
-
- >>Send them to an industrial space facility....
-
- >You always toss of the problems of systems that you think are theoretically
- >superior to the Shuttle.
-
- So you say...
-
- >As an engineer that will be installing a payload
- >in the spacehab module in 72 hours let me tell you that what you are saying
- >is far from reality.
-
- So your an expert on the subject.
-
- >All Spacehab is is a pressure vessel. To maintain its
- >structural integrity for holdin air, it relys on its structural supports
- >connected to the shuttle. This is just for beginners. It totally depends on
- >power from the Shuttle. This goes also for thermal control, atmosphere and
- >control of the experiments via either direct astronaut intervention or
- >control from the middeck.
-
- Sounds about right. OK Dennis, as an expert, just how much would this
- cost:
-
- >IT would cost several hundred million just to make it into a free flyer.
-
- In other words, for the cost of a single Shuttle flight we could have
- a free flyer available 365 days a year for autonomous and human-tended
- experiments. Looks to me like we can get a lot more work done this way
- for a lot less money.
-
- >Then you would have all of the problems relating to the fact that
- >none of the experiments are designed to be removed on orbit.
-
- But the Freedom experiments are. Besides, the Russians do this
- sort of thing all the time. Surely NASA isn't that far behind?
-
- Allen
-
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