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- From: neff@iaiowa.physics.uiowa.edu (John S. Neff)
- Subject: Re: Fabrication (was fast track failures)
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- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 21:11:23 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan4.202421.11388@cs.ucf.edu> clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) writes:
- >From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
- >Subject: Fabrication (was fast track failures)
- >Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:24:21 GMT
- >In article <1993Jan4.171213.11272@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
- >writes:
- >> In article <ewright.725666125@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward
- >V. Wright) writes:
- >> >
- >> Most engineering *is* paperwork, or workstation work today. Otherwise
- >> it's just tinkering on a wing and a prayer. You have to bend metal to
- >> *test* your engineering, but bending metal *isn't* engineering. It's
- >> fabrication done by tradesmen.
- >
- >I can't let this go by. This is a common attitude in America. It
- >leads to low pay for production engineers and inefficient production
- >methods etc. etc. Result is the current economic morass with most
- >production going overseas.
- >
- >I think engineering must consider how something is to be made. The
- >most elegant design is useless if it can't be manufactured.
- >Knowledge of what can be made is obtained by bending metal, or
- >at least by interacting with those who do.
- >
- >This probably has nothing to do with space. But then maybe it
- >has a lot to do with why no really new space rocket designs have
- >come out in the last 30 years except for the star-crossed shuttle.
- >--
- >Thomas Clarke
- >Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
- >12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
- >(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
- It has a lot to do with the manufacture and launching of ELVs.
- The FSU have a highly automated system for the checkout and launching
- of ELVs that has been used, for example, to launch payloads for growing
- crystals in a microgravity environment. This is probably the most cost
- effective system for such research presently available.
-
- Because the FSU planners knew they were going to launch a large number of
- these vehicles it was worthwile for them to spend the time and money on
- automation and reducing the cost of manufacture. When you have just a
- few vehicles they can be built like Rolls Royces. Our problem is that
- we do not have a consistent space policy with respect to the number
- and types of launch vehicles.
-
- During the Reagan administration space policy was formulated by an
- Inter Agency Group which had almost the same membership as the
- National Security Council. Under the Bush administration VP Quayle
- was in charge of space policy, and under the Clinton administration
- Gore may be in charge. There is no reason to believe that the Clinton
- administration will follow the same policy as the Bush administration.
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