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- From: cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand)
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas be
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.135041.970@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
- Organization: University of Helsinki
- References: <1993Jan8.060050.9321@hfsi.uucp> <1ij9ndINN48o@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1993Jan8.110856.25862@cs.unca.edu>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 13:50:41 GMT
- Lines: 46
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- In article <1993Jan8.110856.25862@cs.unca.edu> kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:
- >In article <1ij9ndINN48o@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
- >Here's you jon:
- >>|> >
- >>|> >I think that the trouble you have here is the same confusion that
- >>|> >you have exhibited before, for example when you talked about
- >>|> >Chamberlain and Roosevelt. You want to put everyone who had any
- >>|> >dealings with Hitler - and now Stalin - on the same level.
- >>|> >
- >>|> >But they are not on the same level. Chamberlain and Roosevelt
- >>|> >kept a distance between themselves and Hitler, and dealt with him
- >>|> >only when they had to. Meanwhile the German Catholic Youth
- >>|> >Organization was describing Naziism as a "spritual breakthrough".
- >>|> >The point is that you *do* have to deal with a Hitler from time
- >>|> >to time, but you don't have to express that kind of enthusiasm.
- >>|>
- >
- >Now, here's John (Johnny?)
- >>|> Err, what does the German Catholic Youth Organization have to do with
- >>|> the Vatican?
- >
- >>
- >>Is this a quiz, or do you have a point to make?
- >>
- >>jon.
- >
- >Looks to me like the point he's making is that you won't let me put "everyone
- >on the same level" but you are trying to put everyone on the same level.
- >The German Catholic Youth Organization = The Vatican = Every Christian, to
- >you...or so you make it appear. If I were to find evidence of "Budhists for
- >Hitler" would you really expect everyone to discount the teachings of
- >Buddha forevermore on the basis of that?
- >
-
- Strange, that people (= John ATA Something, apparantly you, and most of
- the "others" - perhaps even a lot of the atheists) don't seem to get the
- point even when it is spelled out.
- To repeat: the point is that if somebody is religious, that says diddly
- squat about his/her morals. _That_ is the point.
-
- Tero Sand
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- too much pizza before they go to bed at night, and it's really an
- intestinal disorder, not a revelation." - Reverend Jerry Falwell
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