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- From: dfox@quack.sac.ca.us (David Fox)
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas be
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- References: <1993Jan3.151154.18933@cs.unca.edu> <1i82snINNhc1@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1993Jan4.022547.24574@cs.unca.edu>
- Date: 5 Jan 1993 05:39:32 UTC
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- In article <1993Jan4.022547.24574@cs.unca.edu> kepley@cs.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) writes:
- >>no one could be in any real doubt about what the Nazis intended
- >
- >Well, now you're not just convicting the Vatican, but also all those people
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- History shows that the Catholic Church, as an organization, has one of the
- worst records for human-rights abuses, perhaps second only to Nazi Germany
- or Stalinism, actually.
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- > The Catholic Church is led by fallible men who make foreign policy
- >mistakes and have many skeletons in their closets, and they can be
- >sanctimonious, just like others (I won't mentionany names). But who
- >hasn't made terrible mistakes, given a thousand years of history and rapidly
- >changing moral values?
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- The Church says that their leaders (Popes) _can't_ make terrible
- mistakes. However, those underneath can, I guess.
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- According to Catholic dogma, the Pope is given infallibility in matters
- of faith and morals. Assuming this applies retroactively to all past
- Popes, the concept is ridiculous, and history proves it to be so. If
- you were able to resurrect a bunch of previous Popes, and put them all
- in a room, they'd certainly disagree with each other on matters of
- faith and morals.
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- David Fox
- dfox@quack.sac.ca.us
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