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- From: buhr@umanitoba.ca (Kevin Andrew Buhr)
- Subject: Re: Gravity & Rubber Sheet Analogy Problem
- In-Reply-To: diverson@phys.ksu.edu's message of 12 Jan 93 19:49:51 GMT
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- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 04:07:17 GMT
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- In article <1iv7cvINN7l1@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> diverson@phys.ksu.edu (David
- Iverson) writes:
- |
- | O.K. I'll put a new twist on this, not an answer, more like a continuation
- | of the question.
- |
- | Take two balls (you choose the size) and sandwich them between two rubber
- | sheets. Do this in the SpaceShuttle to avoid the nasty business of an
- | external gravity. I imagine that the balls would be pushed towards each
- | other as the elastic sheets attempt to minimize their energy. Encompassing
- | both balls in one deformation would take less energy than placing each one
- | in it's own.
-
- I don't think you need two rubber sheets. If you place two large
- masses reasonably close to one another on a single rubber sheet, they
- *WILL* fall towards each other. No special extra force is needed.
-
- Consider the following cross-section of two masses on the rubber
- sheet:
-
-
- b B b
- -----... MMMM __........__ MMMM ...------
- \ 1111 / \ 2222 /
- A--> \ MMMM / <--a a--> \ MMMM / <--A
- ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~
-
- Let's assume that the rubber sheet is very taut equally at all points
- and in all directions, at least without any masses sitting on it; that
- it deforms "efficiently" without energy loss; and that it is
- frictionless as masses move across it.
-
- Then the rubber is deformed more between the two masses than in the
- opposite direction. Why? Well, rougly speaking, the deformation
- caused by the two masses is a decreasing function of the distance from
- the mass center. The deformation at any point (including the point
- between the two masses) is the "sum" of all deformations caused by all
- masses. The point marked "B" is relatively close to both masses,
- whereas the points marked "b" are close to one mass and much further
- away from the other. Hence, the deformation is greater at "B" than at
- "b" as these deformations are added.
-
- Arbitrarly close to either one of the masses, we get the same trend in
- the deformation: the rubber closer to the "other" mass is deformed
- more than the rubber on the opposite site. Let me repeat the diagram
- again:
-
- b B b
- -----... MMMM __........__ MMMM ...------
- \ 1111 / \ 2222 /
- A--> \ MMMM / <--a a--> \ MMMM / <--A
- ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~
-
- Suppose the masses are at rest. The deformation immediately to the
- left of mass 1 is relatively slightly smaller compared to the
- deformation immediately to its right. As a result, the rubber
- produces a slightly stronger force "A" to the left of mass 1 than the
- force "a" applied to its right. Why? Well, this is *real* force of
- gravity at work (i.e. the pull on the masses from the large object,
- probably the Earth, situated below the rubber sheet). Essentially,
- the mass moves to the right because, as it does, the rubber beneath
- the first mass is deformed--by the resulting increased proximity to
- the other mass--to a larger degree than it is in the initial state,
- trading gravitational potential energy for kinetic energy. For the
- same reason, the mass 2 is pushed toward mass 1.
-
- If you put two masses on a rubber sheet and they *don't* move
- together, it's because your rubber sheet is too frictionful or (more
- likely) because your rubber sheet deforms inefficiently: it requires a
- constant supply of energy to deform in a given direction.
-
- Well... That's my opinion on the matter. And, since I don't have the
- rubber sheet handy (and my waterbad has an incredibly inefficient
- deformation) it is far too Aristotelian for this group...
-
- Kevin <buhr@ccu.UManitoba.CA>
-