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- From: bweiner@ruhets.rutgers.edu (Benjamin Weiner)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: an expanding universe
- Message-ID: <Jan.12.16.05.34.1993.18737@ruhets.rutgers.edu>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 21:05:34 GMT
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- metzler@pablo.physics.lsa.umich.edu (Chris Metzler) writes:
- [ merciless deletions ]
- >The Hubble law that we all know and love, [ cz = Hr ]
-
- >is actually the low z limit of a more complicated expression ...
- > ... The coefficient of the quadratic term
- >(which we expect to be the next term of importance as we go to higher z)
- >you can essentially think of as involving the time-derivative of the
- >Hubble "constant". By measuring the redshift of distant objects, as well
- >as their distance (NOT by using the Hubble law, but by some independant
- >method), and then by curve-fitting, one can ostensibly find the coefficient,
- >thus the time-derivative of the Hubble constant. ...
-
- The coefficient is generally known as q_0, pronounced "q-nought."
-
- >However, the sad truth is that it is very very difficult to get independant
- >distance estimates for galaxies at that high redshift. The error bars ...
-
- This is a very gentle way of putting it ... For a long time the Great
- and Glorious Project of extragalactic astronomy was extending the Hubble
- diagram (distance versus redshift) far enough to measure the deviation
- from a straight line, which would give the value of q_0 (and Omega_0,
- since Omega_0 = 2 q_0 ; thus q_0 = 1/2 is the critical value for a "flat"
- universe). This effort has fallen victim to a host of difficulties, most
- notably luminosity evolution of what were once thought to be "standard
- candles."
-
- You can imagine that at this point, when astronomers have not settled even
- on a value of H_0 (first term in the series), there is no hope of
- determining q_0 directly via the Hubble diagram method. Current
- investigations tend to attempt to measure the curvature of space
- (essentially, Omega_0) through a variety of methods (I'm told that
- supernova-counting is supposedly the one that will ultimately settle it.)
-
- This failure is no tragedy, though, because there are all sorts of
- fun things going on in extragalactic astronomy that were not foreseen:
- large-scale structure, large-scale motions, etc.
-