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- From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics,news.groups,sci.misc,alt.sci.physics.new-theories
- Subject: Re: How about sci.physics.speculation as well?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan9.003955.28836@netcom.com>
- Date: 9 Jan 93 00:39:55 GMT
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- In article mwj@beta.lanl.gov (William Johnson) writes:
- >In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:
-
- >[According to Matt's straw-man, "clearly inappropriate postings include:"]
- >>> (1) Personal attacks;
- >>> (2) Discussion that isn't about or related to physics;
- >>> (3) Multiple responses that all say the same things; and
- >>> (4) Crackpot postings that are "not even wrong."
- >>
- >>
- >>Items (1) to (3) sound good and unambiguous. However, I believe that item
- >>(4) should be clarified.
-
- >As a prospective co-moderator, I'm not entirely comfortable with this
- >definition either. Problem is, we couldn't come up with anything better.
- >In any event, crackpottery (at least to me) may have less to do with content
- >than with style. A post that starts with "THEY LAUGHED AT GALILEO, THEY
- >LAUGHED AT EINSTEIN, NOW THEY'RE LAUGHING AT ME!", all in capital letters,
- >looks more crackpottish than one with exactly the same content but without
- >the hysteria. Think of it this way: the items unacceptable under condition
- >4 are the crackpottery likely to lead to postings unacceptable under the
- >*other* conditions. Crackpottery *not* likely to lead to that is more
- >likely to be accepted; remember that one of Matt's points is "light"
- >moderation.
-
-
- I can see this. Maybe the newsgroup proposers should consider setting up a
- posting guideline which outlines what things done (e.g., all caps) and said
- (e.g., "I'm being persecuted..."), etc., would cause the post to be
- automatically rejected regardless of its content. Of course, if it met
- the base criteria but in the moderator's opinions did not meet more
- "subjective" requirements, it could also be rejected. These objective
- posting guidelines can be easy to establish - just go through lots of prior
- posts and search out the obnoxious things, such as excessive use of
- CAPS, etc., that anybody, even my 9 year-old son, could use as a first
- filter.
-
- Also, I believe the moderators should make a small effort to inform the
- poster of a rejected post as to why it was rejected, and what steps could
- be done to make it acceptable - and leave the door open for posting it when
- the objections are dealt with. That's only fair.
-
-
- >>Thus, to protect the integrity of the proposed system, as well as to protect
- >>the moderators from charges of taking advantage of a fuzzy rule (e.g., to
- >>disallow posts because they don't like their "implications"), I suggest that
- >>(4) be more carefully defined, and that the extent of the definition be
- >>pre-approval by the sci.physics community before going for the full-bore
- >>CFD/CFV.
-
- >Well, make a suggestion. You wouldn't *believe* the amount of e-mail that
- >Matt and the prospective co-moderators exchanged trying to get the
- >wordsmithing right ... As noted, I'm not all that happy with point 4
- >either, but I sure can't think of anything better; I'd be more than happy
- >to listen to alternatives.
-
- I see your point about setting up some more guidelines as being very
- difficult. It is something akin to the Supreme Court Justice who said
- that he knows pornography when he sees it, but can't define it.
-
-
- >...
- >That's not what's at issue, and even if it was, the co-moderators are a more
- >heterogeneous group than you seem to think they are; certainly you will find
- >no general agreement among us on what constitutes "heterodoxy," even if we
- >felt it appropriate to suppress it (which I for one don't). I think you'll
- >be pleasantly surprised at the number of highly heterodox things that make
- >it through the moderation process -- if the proponents of heterodoxy simply
- >make their points in a way that is cogent, consistent, non-repetitive, and
- >not personally insulting.
-
- Well, if the newsgroup passes the stringent creation process, there'll be
- several people keeping their eyes on the group to see if this comes to
- pass. I hope so. Of course, I may reconsider my position as to not
- serving as a moderator sometime in the future, but I'm not sure if the rest
- of sci.physics would be ready for me, the crackpot par excellence. :^)
-
-
- >> And let me
- >>go on to offer an olive branch and propose that along-side a
- >>sci.physics.research (it should really be called sci.physics.orthodox), that
- >>a parallel moderated newsgroup, called sci.physics.speculations be created
- >>as well (I'd be happy to be a moderator for such a group).
-
- >Without judging the merits of such a group, let me note that *my* main
- >reservation about sci.physics.research is just that its creation may delay
- >or prevent a more global reorganization of sci.physics -- and other groups
- >where similar questions exist (ever read sci.med? Hoo, boy...) -- along
- >preferable lines, whatever they may be. But that reorganization is a subject
- >for another place and time. Want to get a discussion of s.p.speculations
- >going? Fine with me, although I will stay out of it and probably wouldn't
- >vote one way or the other on it.
-
-
- How about it? If you'd like to see a sci.physics.speculations (moderated)
- and a sci.physics.speculations.d (unmoderated), then let me know. This is
- just a straw vote. One advantage that a sci.physics.speculations has over
- sci.physics.research is that it would fit in better with any future
- reorganization of the sci.physics.* hierarchy. Speculations are speculations
- (like parts is parts).
-
-
- Jon Noring
-
-
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-
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