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- From: pierson@empror.enet.dec.com (dave pierson)
- Subject: Re: Electric Pinwheel Problem
- Message-ID: <1993Jan6.133811.5357@ryn.mro4.dec.com>
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- Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
- References: <15339.2b4a1056@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>
- Date: 6 JAN 93 08:35:12
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- In article <15339.2b4a1056@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu>,
- edharris@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu writes...
-
- >The posting on Ben Franklin and the possible determination of +/- charges
- >reminds me an interesting phenomenon (at least I think so).
- >
- >I had made an electric pinwheel ( just an S-shaped piece of wire free to
- >spin about its center):
- >
- >direction of spin <- ___ *corona here
- > /
- > /
- > /| <-- pivot point
- > / |
- > corona *--- |______ to +/- High Voltage
- >
- >You hook it up to a high voltage DC supply (approx 5kV or higher) of either
- >+ or - polarity and the thing begins to spin in the direction shown
- >regardless of the polarity. (In case my drawing is unclear: the electric
- >pinwheel spins in the same direction as a water pinwheel with water being
- >ejected from the tips of the S-shape. In fact, the corona of the electric
- >pinwheel makes it look like "fire" is shooting out the tips of the "S".)
-
- >I belive the reason for this is as follows: If the pinwheel is at High
- >voltage the electric field at the tips of the "S" will be high enough to
- >ionize the surrounding air (thus the visible glow from corona). Now if the
- >"S" is at +HV then light electrons will be attracted to the tips and the
- >heavy ions will be repelled. Since electrons are light and have a
- >relatively high mobility in a plasma, they will be quickly swept out of the
- >tip region due to the electric field- thus leaving the plasma near the tips
- >with a small net + charge. Therefore the tips are constantly repelled from
- >the plasma near the tips...
-
-
- ....
- >Anyway I discovered ( or rediscovered) a neat variation to this expt.
-
- >If, instead of applying High Voltage DC, you apply high voltage, high
- >frequency AC... then you can get the pinwheel to spin BACKWARDS!
- >
- >I used a solid-state Tesla coil (homebrew):
- >frequency 10-20KHz
- >Voltage 10-50 kV
- >
- >Usually the pinwheel spins around in the "Usual" way, but for some voltage/
- >frequency combinations it spins backwards.
-
- Hmmmm. I tried that, once, with a Tesla coil, of the spark gap variety,
- so little control of voltage/frequency. The spin was in the
- "expected" direction.
-
- One thought would be to try it in the dark & check for corona off the
- rotor in unanticipated places & see if the corona changes postion as
- the voltage/frequency is changed. (if the rotor, ferinstance had
- sharp bends verus one with a "flowing" 'S' shape, the bends might make
- a substantial corona point. If much charge leaks there, little might
- be left to escape at the "design" point. Also, compare similar
- voltages (peak? rms?) for both the "ac" and "dc" case.
-
- thanks
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