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- From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: two point masses in an expanding universe
- Date: 5 Jan 1993 12:15 PST
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA
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- In article <38145@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, rubio@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes...
- >
- > This is a simple question that bothers me a lot:
- >
- >Imagine there are two (point) masses separated by a finite distance in an
- >expanding universe. The distance between the two masses increases and so
- >does their (relative) velocities, both of which imply that the energy of
- >one of them with respect to the other is increasing.
-
- No. At a given point in time in an expanding Universe, objects further
- apart move faster with respect to one another. But over time, the
- relative velocity, due to the Hubble expansion, of two objects *decreases*
- due to the self-gravitation of the objects in the Universe slowing
- the expansion.
-
- Your confusion arises from a common misunderstanding of the Hubble "constant"
- which, in fact, is not constant in time. The Hubble constant is getting
- smaller as time passes. Here's why:
-
- The initial impulse which set the Universe expanding was the Big Bang. But
- since that time, all the objects therein have been interacting according to
- gravity - mutually attracting. So the relative speeds have been slowing down.
- Even neglecting gravity, the Hubble constant would decrease. Say we are now at
- time t1. At time t2 = 2*t1, every retreating object will be twice as far away.
- But neglecting any gravitational slowing down, they will be receeding by the
- same velocity, so the Hubble constant will have half of today's measured value
- at time t2. The fact that the expansion is slowing due to gravity only makes
- this effect larger.
-
- >Thanks for any help. Even flames will be nice (I hate it when I don't get
- >any reponses).
-
- -Scott
- --------------------
- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
- SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV although I have no right to say so, having
- been a single cell so long ago myself that I
- have no memory at all of that stage of my
- life." - Lewis Thomas
-