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- From: schiller@prl.philips.nl (schiller c)
- Subject: Colours - which theory before observation ?
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 09:35:28 GMT
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- Charlie.Creegan@launchpad.unc.edu (Charlie Creegan) writes:
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- >>Red is a concept formed by children
- >>before they are six months old, and it gives a name to certain class
- >>of colours. When a child says: "it is red", it just says, "it has a similar
- >>look than all the previous things I have observed, which I call red".
- >>The statement "It is red" therefore just compares different observations.
- >>Not much of theory there.
- >>
- >> Christoph Schiller
-
- >"gives a name to a certain class of colors"? That is a thoroughly
- >theory-laden assertion.
-
- No. It is an observation of child psychology, that children do this in the first
- months of their life. But that children who do not speak, or just learn to
- speak, use other names than red, prehaps "djfghgf", to express the concept, is
- not a contradiction. They still have the concept, just the name is different.
- It is an observation of child psychology that the concept of colour is formed by
- the child itself, not by taking over any "theory" from adults. (Btw, which
- "theory" would that be ?)
-
- > My 2-year-old uses "green" as a term of
- >approbation (at least, that's the closest I can figure it). He does not
- >have the technique of using color words to refer to what we adult language
- >users think of as colors. So it is not "looks" he is comparing. But he *is*
- >using linguistic utterances to express his comparison of observations.
- >Only when he gains some sophistication will adults be able to straighten
- >out his conceptual scheme by explaining some theoretical considerations
- >about color-terms and what kind of observations are relevant to them.
- > He may not yet have an explicit theory (or even an explicit concept) but
- >in order to interact with him you have to have theories and concepts, and
- >you have to be able to transmit them to him. His (socially correct)
- >observations *will* be theory-laden.
-
- Your son probably is using the *word* "green" for something else than for what
- adults call green colour. What he will learn through social interactions,
- is to use the standard word instead of his own word. But the concept remains
- the same. Transmitting a name does not mean transmitting a theory.
-
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- Christoph Schiller
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- P.S. Another possibility : is your child colour-blind ?
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