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- From: dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca (Duncan Murdoch)
- Subject: Re: Nonrandom Random Numbers?
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- References: <1993Jan12.140114.620@hnrc.tufts.edu> <dmurdoch.393.726873235@mast.queensu.ca> <dmurdoch.396.726875230@mast.queensu.ca> <1993Jan13.002020.10338@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 03:42:46 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan13.002020.10338@Princeton.EDU> rdnelson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger D. Nelson) writes:
- >>In article <dmurdoch.393.726873235@mast.queensu.ca> dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca
- >(Duncan Murdoch) writes:
- >>>The paper is Ferrenberg, A. M., Landau, D.P., and Wong, Y.J. (1992), Monte
- >>>Carlo simulations: hidden errors from "good" random number generators,
- >>>Physical Review Letters 69 no. 23, 3382-3384.
- >>
- >>Oops, I forgot to mention:
- >>
- >>The authors did find that simple variations on the algorithms (e.g. only use
- >>every 5th random number) gave acceptable results.
-
- >I must be missing something, for _this_ result suggest high-frequency
- >autocorrelations that are eliminated by dumping the 2-4th elements.
-
- I suspect something like this: the Ising model simulations probably have a
- very strong periodicity in how they use the random numbers. That "strains"
- the RNG at one particular frequency in its spectrum. Something about the
- Wolff algorithm is very sensitive to any deviation from the white spectrum
- at that particular frequency. The CONG generator just happened to do best
- at that frequency; the others were off by a bit. When the Wolff algorithm
- amplified the problems, they showed up as errors in the mean in the 4th
- or 5th decimal place.
-
- The "every 5th" solution was presented as though it was one of many things
- the authors tried (though I don't think they said this). It may well just
- be chance that using every 5th number happens to bring the right spectral
- density to that critical spot.
-
- I think they got the conclusions bang on: you can't rely on standard tests
- to validate a RNG when you're going to use it in ten million repeated
- simulations.
-
- Duncan Murdoch
- dmurdoch@mast.queensu.ca
-