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- From: jgk@osc.COM (Joe Keane)
- Newsgroups: sci.math,sci.physics
- Subject: Re: Bayes' theorem and QM
- Summary: Banach-Tarski has no relation to reality.
- Keywords: infinite
- Message-ID: <5915@osc.COM>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 06:55:14 GMT
- References: <1992Dec24.101452.16194@oracorp.com>
- Followup-To: sci.math
- Organization: Versant Object Technology
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- In article <1992Dec24.101452.16194@oracorp.com> daryl@oracorp.com (Daryl
- McCullough) writes:
-
- >It would be nice if the volume of a region of space were always
- >well-defined, but it is not. A demonstration due to Banach and Tarski
- >showed that it is possible (mathematically, rather than physically
- >possible) to decompose a sphere into a finite number of pieces and
- >then recombine them by rotations and translations to get two complete
- >spheres.
-
- Banach-Tarski is a good demonstration of the tricks you can play if you have
- axioms which claim the existence of objects with infinite information, or
- however you want to interpret the non-constructible things that you can get
- only with the Axiom of Choice. But does anyone think this has any relation to
- reality?
-
- If you think so, please show me some pieces that you could make out of
- something real like wood, such that that they almost fit together into either
- one sphere or two. Also please show me a computer chip that can store an
- infinite amount of information. In fact i'll be generous, you only have to
- store an arbitrarily large amount of information.
-
- Don't get me wrong, i'm quite interested in math logic. I like considering
- strange axioms that let you enumerate the reals or decide whether Turing
- machines will halt. (No, these are not contradictory, as long as you
- understand that such an axiom applies only to things you can make without
- using the axiom.) But i'm worried if people think we can do new things in the
- real world by inventing new axioms about infinite sets.
-
- A mostly unrelated observation is that if you mix 1 liter of water and 1 liter
- of alcohol, you get about 1.8 liters of something like vodka.
-
- --
- Joe Keane, amateur mathematician
- jgk@osc.com (uunet!amdcad!osc!jgk)
-