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- From: torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen)
- Subject: Re: Multiple Truth Values
- In-Reply-To: pratt@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU's message of Tue, 12 Jan 1993 20:15:45 GMT
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 22:29:44 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan12.201545.27599@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> pratt@Sunburn.
- Stanford.EDU (Vaughan R. Pratt) writes:
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- >Australian and American courts interrogate witnesses in a language that
- >presumes intuitionistic logic, in that they draw a distinction between
- >straight answers and hedged and insist on the former.
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- The distinction between hedging and straight answers has nothing in
- particular to do with intuitionistic logic, and your statement that it
- "presumes intuitionistic logic" is quite arbitrary. Furthermore,
- natural language is not a formal system, and I doubt that it is
- possible to find anything in the use of natural language corresponding
- e.g. to the intuitionistic validity of the double negation of Peirce's
- axiom. This applies equally, of course, to classical propositional
- logic. Formal logic doesn't tell us a great deal about what reasoning,
- interrogation, justification, etc in natural language is like.
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- More interesting is the other point you raised, concerning the
- possibility of interpreting classical in intuitionistic theories via
- e.g. a Godel translation, where you emphasized that the effect of this
- is to introduce distinctions where there are none in classical logic.
- But clearly this in itself tells us nothing about the usefulness or
- interest of the intuitionistic versions of the theories. We can go on
- to introduce a large number of logical distinctions, still with
- Godel-type translations of classical theorems. Such distinctions have
- no intrinsic value. Looking at the distinctions introduced by
- intuitionistic logic, they are in part natural in the sense that they
- have a connection with or correspond to distinctions that we make in
- mathematics and that we have found useful, such as the distinction
- between direct and indirect proofs of existential statements. But
- intuitionistic logic involves very much more than such natural
- distinctions. For example, the logical distinction between ~~ExP(x)
- and ExP(x), with P a decidable number-theoretic predicate, corresponds
- to nothing in ordinary mathematical experience. For another example,
- the splitting up of the concept of an infinite set of natural numbers
- into "infinite", "not not infinite", "not bounded" introduces
- considerable complications, and we don't even know whether it is possible to
- teach and learn mathematics without "conflating" these concepts. We need
- to think about such matters as well in considering distinctions.
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