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- From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
- Newsgroups: sci.lang
- Subject: Re: Bulgarians - descendents of a Finn...
- Message-ID: <Jan.6.23.54.18.1993.24244@pilot.njin.net>
- Date: 7 Jan 93 04:54:18 GMT
- References: <1993Jan3.164904.6398@desire.wright.edu> <Jan.3.19.08.23.1993.201@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan4.032130.12753@trl.oz.au> <Jan.4.14.40.42.1993.18485@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan6.185852.7762@leland.Stanford.EDU> <Jan.6.16.07.53.1993.13867@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan7.
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- In article <1993Jan7.012915.18582@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@elaine46.Stanford.EDU (Rich Alderson) writes:
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-
- > However, languages change whether or not they encounter speakers of other
- > languages. Thus, there is no language in the Indo-European family that is any
- > closer to the Ursprache than any other at the same time depth, for some notion
- > of closeness.
- >
- > That is, the phonology and/or the morphology and/or the syntax will be changed
- > from that of the parent language.
-
-
- I don't have any doubts that languages change for a variety of
- reasons. Neither do I subscribe to the view that all changes
- emanate from only one cause in every case.
-
- However, if languages change as a result of some internal effort
- at some kind of an optimizing principle, then it should be an
- observable universal. It should be possible, then, to find this
- univeral principle since there are so many languages that
- lingusists have studied.
-
- On the other hand, if the changes are caused by external influence,
- then although exhibiting some kind of regularity in the pattern of
- the changes, it probably could be attributed more to the
- characteristics of the external influence than to the universality
- of the transition. Thus methods can be devised, in principle, to
- distinguish between the two kinds of changes.
-
-
- > Besides, given current thinking on the reconstruction of Proto-Indo-European,
- > somewhere at a midpoint between the Eastern Goths and the Western Armenians
- > would be best under your proposed model. There are problems with that location
- > as well.
-
- I did not and do not defend any of the views put forward by any of
- the constructionists. I'm only attempting to point out inconsistencies
- in some of the current thoughts.
-
- My main concern, and one of my hobbies, is to derive methods of
- obtaining numbers for various schemes. This is a very important
- part of science since it enables researchers to create unambiguous
- models on the basis of which discourse can take place.
-
- Never have I denigrated the tremendous effort expended by linguists
- at various times to produce some regularity/pattern that is
- not plainly visible. This is the essence of science. However, none
- of this should be taken to mean that 'Then End' as arrived and
- that linguistics has reached the point where nothing else can
- be added. It would be too arrogant of anyone to even hint at
- such a conclusion. The wheel is still spinning, not only for
- linguistics, but even for mathematics. There will probably be
- no end to this process and the linguists should be well aware of
- it.
- --
-
- mark
-
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