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- From: hubey@pilot.njin.net (Hubey)
- Newsgroups: sci.lang
- Subject: Re: Is (historical) linguistics a science?
- Message-ID: <Jan.5.13.56.58.1993.13714@pilot.njin.net>
- Date: 5 Jan 93 18:56:58 GMT
- References: <Dec.31.19.29.26.1992.18979@pilot.njin.net> <1993Jan4.014658.17659@leland.Stanford.EDU> <Jan.4.16.56.51.1993.22817@pilot.njin.net> <C0Csxq.A63@spss.com>
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- In article <C0Csxq.A63@spss.com> markrose@spss.com (Mark Rosenfelder) writes:
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- > Boy, you guys are really talking past each other. However, I have the perhaps
- > absurd notion that I might be able to address some of the confusion.
-
- You're welcome.
-
-
- >
- > Only... no, that's not the paradigm; and no, people who are discussing
- > relatedness are not describing that.
-
- No it isn't. It's only a small part of it. And it's more abstract
- and morgeneral.
-
- > If you really have read Kuhn, you know t hat workers in a paradigmatic science
- > have mastered a set of paradigms, and *assume* them in their discussions.
- > To know what they're talking about, to say nothing of criticizing them,
- > you have to go master them yourself.
-
- I've read Kuhn eons ago not that there's much in it that can be forgotten.
-
-
- > In the present case, that means learning how historical linguistics
- > really is done. You are not going to get this through the net, any more
- > than you could pick up quantum mechanics from reading sci.physics.
- > You get it by reading historical linguistics textbooks. I would highly
- > recommend Theodora Bynon's _Historical Linguistics_; Hock's book covers
- > about the same ground somewhat more thoroughly.
-
- In fact, I have my own copy of Bynon's book. More general ideas
- can give rise to others as instantiations or specific manifestations.
- That's the relationship between what I posted and Bynon's .
-
- Sometimes people think making up a word explains something. If the
- word is used constantly, then the word becomes the explanation and the
- real underlying phenomena is buried. Such is the use of words like
- 'instinct'. Sometimes it's better not use words whose meaning may
- one imply ctain things but in reality don't.
-
-
- > Historical linguists do *not* ascribe relatedness to languages based
- > on either a fuzzy or a precise notion that their words kind of sound alike.
-
- The word fuzzy was not meant as an insult. It seems to have had great
- success certain linguistic problems.
-
-
- [most of the rest of the posting deleted since it's either not germane
- or shows a misunderstanding of what I posted. That's OK, since words
- are often not sufficient to explain certain things.]
-
-
-
- > to replacement by a new paradigm which addresses the problems revealed by
- > the crisis, can do that.. Since historical linguistics isn't in a period of
- > crisis, no historical linguist is going to lose sleep over your objections.
-
- This was probably uncalled for but since I do what I do not to disturb
- anyone's sleep (except perhaps my own :-)), I won't lose much sleep
- over this.
- --
-
- mark
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