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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: Save the Planet and the Economy at the Same time!
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- Organization: Quake Public Access
- References: <1992Dec21.041755.4485@pbhye.PacBell.COM> <72137@cup.portal.com>
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- Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1993 10:21:03 GMT
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- In article <72137@cup.portal.com> gb@cup.portal.com (Greg A Buechler) writes:
-
- >If we were to charge the full economic cost to ALL items used, mined,
- >manufactured, etc. we wouldn't be in the present condition at all.
-
- I agree that a free-market unmuddled by government interference would
- be a solution for a great many problems, environmental and otherwise.
- Oh...you don't think that free markets reflect full economic costs?
- Pray tell us how this is.
-
- Tell me, what do you think the price of a commodity ought to be if it
- doesn't damage the environment? Should it merely be the cost of
- labor, capital, and profit (or are you opposed to that?) or should it
- be the artificially high prices casued by high taxes on everything?
- Far from being too cheap, most things in this economy are more expensive
- than they ought to be...a result of government interference in the
- economy.
-
- >Not just autos, everything is to some degree paid for at costs far
- >below their tru economic cost if you factor in the environmental cost/
- >damage.
-
- Costs according to whom? If I own a bit of land with trees on it, part
- of the the price you charge for the lumber will be from the decreased
- value of the land without the trees. This is the case with any
- freely owned and traded resource.
-
- How would you propose that these things be evaluated other than just "more than
- now"?
-
- >Let's use another example, lets say homes.
-
- >The cost of lumber should include the full cost of extraction, reforest-
- >ation, the polution by the trucks moving the lumber, the waste from the
- >mills, etc.
-
- Surprise...violations of property rights aside, they already do!
-
- >Nails should cost far more.
-
- More than what? Why don't you mind your own business and stop telling
- people what prices they ought to set on the property THEY own? Didn't your
- mother ever teach you not to boss others around? Not to take things which
- do not belong to you?
-
- More than what? I'm sure you just mean "More than now"...and when that's
- done you'll still want "more than now" until there are no more nails.
-
- >Wallboard, wiring, (do you get
- >the point yet?)
-
- Yes, I do. You don't like housing to be affordable, and you can't stand the
- idea that some people do not want to take your advice about how to
- live their lives and use their property.
-
- The bottom line: Mind your own business, not mine.
-
- --Brian
-
-