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- From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: objective environment? (was Save the Planet)
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- Message-ID: <726299940snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au>
- References: <1993Jan05.060119.12601@watson.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 05:59:00 GMT
- Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
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- In article <1993Jan05.060119.12601@watson.ibm.com> andrewt@watson.ibm.com writes:
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- > A species placement in the Linnaean taxonomy should be consistent with
- > its evolutionary ancestry. If it is placed in a taxon then it should be more
- > closely related to all members of this taxon than it is to any member of
- > another taxon at the same rank. Taxa at each rank are chosen to comply with
- > this restriction and to reflect a certain degree of similarity, depending
- > on the rank, between the members.
- >
- > Placing pig-farmers and pigs together in a low level taxon would not only
- > be inconsistent with their evolutionary ancestry, it would conflict with
- > the intention of taxa containing similar species.
-
- My enquiry was rather concerned with how this conflict, given that the
- species will experience a concurrent spacial interdependence usually
- lacking any knowledge or awareness of their respective evolutionary
- anscestry, might be resolved. Perhaps the Linnaean system is useful
- as an ancillary tool, and some other system brought to bear doing some
- justice to that interdependence.
-
- After all, the conflict referred to is rather artificially invoked by
- Linnaean taxonomists themselves, isn't it?
-
- > >is the answer to make the taxonomic "hierarchy more and more complex, and so
- > >more and more inaccessible to the laity out there?".
- >
- > What makes you think the taxonomic hierarchy is getting more complex?
-
- The question is quite clearly phrased as "is the answer to make", *not*
- "is it getting". Yes?
-
- > >Or perhaps finally abandon it in favour of more practical and reliable models
- > >of reality which inform us in not too technical jargon about what is actually
- > >happening in a particular local environment?
- >
- > Linnaean taxonomy does not yield information about ecosystems, for that
- > you want ecology.
-
- OK, fine. Now, what contribution might biology play in the further
- development of ecology, given that a biologist might have a stated
- interest in the inter-relationship between pig farmers and pigs, for
- example, or perhaps farmers and kangaroos. How might we cooperate in
- sorting these sorts of dispute out among us?
-
- > Also I'd like you to cite examples of biologists holding human remains against
- > the wishes of the kin. I can't see why a biologist would be interested in
- > such material at all.
-
- It is museums still holding the remains, actually, deriving from their
- earlier drive for exhibits. The issue was entered here as a bracketed
- aside if you recall.
-
- > I suggest strongly you do some reading about biology before posting more.
- > Edward Wilson's "The Diversity of Life" would be a gentle start.
-
- Perhaps you would also be interested in
-
- Strauss A. 1978
- Negotiations: Varieties, Contexts, Processes, and Social Order
- San Francisco: Jossey-Bass
-
- and we can pursue it further at a later date.
-
- Thanks for your interest.
-
- Gil
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-