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- From: ketil@edb.tih.no (Ketil Albertsen,TIH)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics
- Subject: Re: HDTV Question
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.103642.8207W@lumina.edb.tih.no>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 10:36:36 GMT
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- In article <1irv7qINNr1f@rave.larc.nasa.gov>, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov
- (Scott Dorsey) writes:
-
- > [...] it would be very nice to have a system that could work with
- >varying bandwidths and resolutions. It would mean that the same standard
- >could be used for broadcast television as would be used for a wider bandwidth
- >cable system. It could mean that black and white programs could be shown
- >with sqrt(3) times the resolution of color programs, without using any
- >additional bandwidth, just by reallocating color information into resolution.
- >And, existing NTSC programs could be broadcast over the HDTV network without
- >using up the full channel bandwidth, since it wouldn't be needed.
-
- There is a tiny little start along those lines in the CCITT G.722 voice/data
- standard, essentially ISDN-oriented. If you during a phone call would like
- to fax a drawing to the one you are talking to, 8 or 16 kbits/s (of the 64
- available) is "stolen" from the sound channel on the fly, and the sound must
- manage with 56 or 48 kbits for a while. This will reduce the dynamic range
- of the bass range, until the fax transfer is complete, but that will be
- almost unnoticable for speech.
-
- Obviously, fax is just one example of data that could be transmitted. And
- if you only have a 48 kbit channel available, you could still use the G.722
- scheme with no data channel.
-
- Digitial mobile phone (GSM in Europe, the US won't accept any European
- standards so they are making another one...:->) uses a lot more advanced
- related techniques. Here, noise reduces (dynamically) the *effective*
- bandwidth, and the goal of the encoding is to make the best possible
- sound quality given the S/N level at the moment. They do it by using a
- relatively larger fraction (by adding extensive error correction) of the
- effective bandwidth for the most audible sound qualities, while more subtle
- nuances with little error correction falls outside the effective bandwidth
- when noise levels are high.
-
- Obviously, video requires a lot more processing and channel capacity than
- sound, but at least at high levels, the principles are roughly the same.
- Eg. for 64 Kbit/s picturephone, the largest changes are transmitted first,
- then the details. Watch a person changing position: Immediately, the screen
- (or that part of it) breaks into large blocks, which gradually breaks into
- smaller ones, granulating to full resolution within a second or two. If you
- talk through the phone at the same time, it takes longer time because the
- sound dynamically steals up to 14 kbit/s (in the system I have seen),
- leaving only 50 to the picture.
-
- A friend of mine works with digital HDTV, compressing the raw bit rate of
- roughly 2 Gbit/s to 27 Mbit/s. He claims that the methods are the same,
- although at 27 Mbits/s the time to reach full color and geometric resolution
- is so short that you normally won't notice it.
-
- (But don't ask me for details about G.722 and GSM coding - I have tried to
- understand the standards, but I have given up. Insufficient math background!)
-
- K.A.
-