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- From: ornitz@kodak.kodak.com (Barry x24904/ER/167B-TED)
- Subject: Re: Microwave Oven Plasma Etcher? (definitions)
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- Keywords: microwave, Reike and Hartree diagrams, Gerling Labs
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- Organization: Eastman Chemical Company
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- In article <1ii7fgINNh20@shelley.u.washington.edu> whit@carson.u.washington.edu
- (John Whitmore) writes:
- > In the context of the original question (lowering the power
- >density in the microwave oven), this is irrelevant. First, the
- >load is the contents of the microwave oven (and this can, we all know,
- >vary quite a lot without stalling the oven). Second, we don't
- >care about the exact frequency (nor the exact power); only large
- >power-output changes are of interest.
- > The load would only change markedly if the feed horn
- >from the magnetron were altered.
-
- Microwaves are no different than high frequency RF sources in that they expect
- low VSWR from their load. High VSWR means that the magnetron must dissipate
- reflected power as heat - decreasing the tube life. Most home cooking
- applications which present variable loads to the microwave occur for short
- times. Cooking a roast, however, gives you a fairly stable load. Note that
- many ovens warn you to place a glass of water in them (giving them a stable
- load) when cooking other relatively non-absorbing items. I would assume the
- plasma etching application is a long duration operation.
-
- >>A Hartree diagram ...
- > This is obviously of concern. I would have thought that the
- >magnetron was just a diode, and that changing the input current (by
- >substituting a smaller capacitor in the charge-pump power supply)
- >would alter the output power. The implication here is that at too-low
- >voltages the magnetron doesn't oscillate.
-
- Quite true. The efficiency also changes rapidly with voltage too. Magnetrons
- are far from simple diodes, however, in their characteristics. Changing the
- capacitor in the doubler circuit is NOT the way to do this. Remember what I
- said about the transformer having high leakage reactance. This is there for
- a reason, not because cheap transformers are often made this way.
-
- To get a reasonably stable output from a microwave, it is necessary to provide
- substantially constant anode current to the magnetron independent of the
- supply voltage and load conditions. For magnetrons with non-adjustable fields
- (i.e. permanent magnet types like those found in home ovens), some means must
- be found to adjust the voltage to regulate the current. In home ovens, the
- technique used is very similar to that in Sola constant-voltage transformers.
- The power transformer uses its leakage reactance much like a saturable
- reactor which is resonated with the capacitor at a frequency higher than the
- line frequency. As the anode current increases, the inductance drops which
- raises the impedance of the (series) resonant circuit which in turn drops the
- voltage and limits the current. This is a low-cost system since it has no
- active components but it has the disadvantage that power adjustment is not
- possible. This is also the reason that home microwave ovens are so sensitive
- to supply frequency variations. [It also explains why microwave ovens often
- fail quickly with non-frequency stabilized camping generators and solar/hydro/
- etc. inverter systems.]
-
- > Again, I think this is not prohibitive: magnetrons are more than
- >85% efficient, and this implies that the input voltage (which is
- >unfiltered) is in the operating range for a substantial fraction of the
- >whole 60-Hz duty cycle. That implies that the input voltage can vary
- >by a factor of four or so before the magnetron stops oscillating.
-
- Home magnetrons are rarely this efficient. Most are in the 50 to 60% range.
- Read the section above about the resonant power supply again and then measure
- the actual waveform as seen by the magnetron. It is hardly sinusoidal - it
- will be more like a square wave (like the output on non-harmonic neutralized
- constant voltage transformers). The voltage over a cycle varies less than
- you think; the regions where the voltage falls are short compared to the
- regions where the voltage is relatively constant.
-
- Changing the value of the capacitor is a fast way of destroying your oven.
- The design of the oven power supply is fairly precise, but the results from
- such a simple system are surprizingly good. Many home ovens can maintain
- less than a percent variation in anode current with more than a ten percent
- change in line voltage.
-
- > It might be impossible to get a 100:1 output power range, but
- >10:1 still looks reasonable. As long as the magnetron doesn't overheat
- >from the current during the 'wasted' time, the microwave oven will
- >still operate even if the magnetron has output efficiency of zero
- >for most of the cycle. It just means that the output power drops
- >to zero faster than proportionally to the input power.
-
- I doubt if you can get a 10:1 range from home ovens without excessively short
- tube life or major modifications of the power circuit.
-
- However, if you can change the magnetic field of the magnetron, things are a
- lot different. Using an electromagnet rather than permanent magnets gives
- you lots of control. A 1% change in electromagnet current can often give
- greater than a 10% change in output power. Commercial microwave systems often
- have 30 to 40 dB of dynamic power range by using a feedback loop and a power
- sensor to control the magnets. Commercial systems also often use circulators
- to protect the magnetron from reflected power from load changes. The
- purpose of the circulator is to divert reflected power to an absorbing load
- rather than back to the magnetron. You waste energy this way but protect the
- expensive tubes (at least they are in multikilowatt systems).
-
- I agree with John DeArmond, just use some water elsewhere in the oven to
- absorb the excess power if this is a simple one-shot experiment.
-
- As a final note to end this discussion, the plasma itself is a load with
- negative resistance characteristics under certain operating conditions.
- Adding a resistive load in parallel is a good idea anyway to stabilize the
- generation of the plasma. Commercial plasma etching systems cost big bucks
- for a reason.
- Barry
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