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- From: rubin@skiing.cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel Rubin)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics,sci.energy,rec.autos
- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.010401.6096@cis.ohio-state.edu>
- Date: 8 Jan 93 01:04:01 GMT
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- > Well, I just can't let this one pass...I have to add my $.02 to this
- >*interminable* thread. Would anyone out there care to be in the same car,
- >or for that matter within several hundred yards of a car, where 200 lb of
- >water had suddenly and very rapidly been converted to superheated steam?
- >This would convert the whole car and occupents (sp?) to a large
- >fragmentation grendade. Just because something is vaporized does not mean
- >it is rendered harmless; hot, expanding gases are what do the damage in all
- >explosions. When water is vaporized, it's volume increases ~1000X, so that
- >200lb of water(25 gallons) suddenly wants to take up 25,000 gallons; wants
- >to *bad*. If constrained to remain at its original volume, it will be at
- >1000 atmospheres, attained within microseconds. The pressure vessel
- >capable of containing this *will* weigh more than a battery pack, or a car.
-
- Well I didn't want to get involved with this discussion but...
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- I think comparing expanding gases or fluff or whatever in a flywheel and
- that of gunpowder in a gun barrel is not justified. The gasses released
- from black powder in a gun barrel act to push an object to "mach 1" or
- whatever speed was posted earlier in ONE direction. You cannot compare this
- to gas or whatever explaning in 3-D space. I pile of black powder won't move
- an object placed on top of it at all or a very small amount, probably 1/100000
- the acceleration of it in a barrel. That actally turns out to be a great
- example. In a previous post it was said that 7 grains of black powder can
- push a bullet to mach 1. That may be true IN A GUN BARREL. Take 1 pound of
- black powder and place it on the ground and put a bullet on top of the pile.
- Light the pile and you get a lot of fire and heat and the bullet will most
- likely not even budge, just get really hot! I wish I could include the
- amount of hot gasses released from a pound of black powder as compared to
- 7 grains, but I can't and the ratio between 7 grains and 1 pound should
- describe the situation well enough...
-
- I am not saying flywheels are safe or they will work, actually I said very
- little about flywheels here ;-)
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- - Dan
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- Daniel Joseph Rubin rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu
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- GO BENGALS! GO BUCKS!
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