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- From: drury@esvax.dunet.dupont.com (Robert F. Drury)
- Subject: Re: Flywheel batteries as EV power source
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- References: <51694@seismo.CSS.GOV> <1992Dec22.204130.18133@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com> <1hnnrdINNnna@gap.caltech.edu> <1992Dec28.220947.19148@michael.apple.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1993 12:55:20 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.220947.19148@michael.apple.com>,
- ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) wrote:
- >
- > In article <1hnnrdINNnna@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
- > >In article <1992Dec22.204130.18133@enterprise.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com>, () writes:
- > >=Obviously this fluff created by a failed flywheel is not exactly safe. But
- > >=you contain this fluff inside another carbon carbon shell such that the
- > >=expanding hot fluff makes more fluff until the energy is such that it can
- > >=be contained by a container. The object is not to stop the flywheel failure
- > >=at any given point, but to slow it down and cause it to loose energy.
- > >
- > >Yup. Now, since someone has calculated that the flywheel is storing enough
- > >energy to VAPORIZE 40 kilograms of iron, just how big is your containment
- > >system going to be? Will there be room for people in the car?
- >
- > Hmmm ... an interesting question arises from this oft' posted phrase
- > 'VAPORIZE 40 kilograms of iron' ... Since this is only 88 lbs of
- > stuff (and my car weighs about 2000lbs) it isn't THAT much of a
- > weight penalty ... So just how much of a very high heat of vaporization
- > substance would it take to absorbe the heat as phase change? Say, for
- > example, water? (Or whatever is even better suited...). If one could
- > wrap the flywheel in a 200 lb water jacket and still be lighter than
- > a lead/acid battery pack, it might still be 'reasonable' ...
- >
- > Now, getting all that KE dumped evenly into the water jacket could be
- > quite a trick ;-) and will be left as an excersize for the reader ;-) ;-)
- >
- > --
- >
- > E. Michael Smith ems@apple.COM
- >
- > 'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has
- > genius, power and magic in it.' - Goethe
- >
- > I am not responsible nor is anyone else. Everything is disclaimed.
-
- Well, I just can't let this one pass...I have to add my $.02 to this
- *interminable* thread. Would anyone out there care to be in the same car,
- or for that matter within several hundred yards of a car, where 200 lb of
- water had suddenly and very rapidly been converted to superheated steam?
- This would convert the whole car and occupents (sp?) to a large
- fragmentation grendade. Just because something is vaporized does not mean
- it is rendered harmless; hot, expanding gases are what do the damage in all
- explosions. When water is vaporized, it's volume increases ~1000X, so that
- 200lb of water(25 gallons) suddenly wants to take up 25,000 gallons; wants
- to *bad*. If constrained to remain at its original volume, it will be at
- 1000 atmospheres, attained within microseconds. The pressure vessel
- capable of containing this *will* weigh more than a battery pack, or a car.
-
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