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- From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)
- Newsgroups: sci.electronics
- Subject: Re: Tube Amplifier Design Questions
- Date: 5 Jan 1993 18:39:40 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan05.141200.24931@uhura.neoucom.edu> wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) writes:
- >Instead of worring about the tubes, the better question is, "where
- >can I find output transformers to handle 200 watts?" From
- >experience, I know those will be difficult to find and expensive
- >when you do. I found a few UTC "Ultralinear" transformers several
- >years ago at Fair Radio Sales. I like the Williamson ultralinear
- >design with tetrodes.
-
- You lucky dog. I go out of my mind trying to find decent output
- transformers.
-
- > 6L6 derivative tubes are pretty good, as a
- >lot of output trnasformers are desinged with those in mind. That
- >includes 6L6, 1614 metal envelope and KT-88s. A pair of 6L6s is
- >good for driving about 30-40 watts. Going up to 200 watts is probably
- >better done with industrial type tubes such ass 6550s or 6080s.
- >I picked up some Amperex 6L6 tubes at a hamfest last year to
- >replace the 1614s in a Macinthosh MC-30. The Amperex tubes have a
- >very nice sound in the MC-30.
-
- You won't get 200 watts out of the 6550s by any means, unless you
- parallel a bunch of them. Even the 4CX150 isn't going to give you
- that much power when you start running it in class A.
-
- >You'll have to go back to the 1950s and early 1960s to find much
- >useful literature.
-
- The Radiotron Handbook is nic to have, and the RCA tube databook is
- absolutely essential.
-
- >I always thought it would be fun to make an audio amplifier out
- >of something like Eimac 4CX150 tubes. The execution would be awful
- >since those tubes need somewhere around 1800 volts on the plate.
- >That would reqire a pretty exotic output transformer and forced air
- >cooling.
-
- No problem. I have an 833-based amplifier at home right now, and it's
- fairly impressive, although the output transformers had to be custom-wound
- in order to get a high enough input Z. The 807 is another nice little
- transmitting tube that does a good job with relatively low power audio,
- but you aren't going to get 200W here.
-
- > In fact, we used to have a 60 Hz to 400 Hz power
- >converter rated at several KW that used 4CX150s. I think it had 8
- >tubes and a GIANT transformer. It dated to about 1964, before
- >semiconductors that could handle those sorts of power levels were
- >affordable and/or reliable.
-
- They still aren't affordable or reliable. That's what motor-generator
- sets are for!
-
- >Unless you have tube nostalgia and/or want a PA for music performance
- >applications, I'd forget about making a tube power amplifier and
- >design with transistors.
-
- I agree that transistor design these days is a lot easier, mostly
- because you spend less time fighting with the power supply and trying
- to get decent output transformers. When tube amps are good, however,
- they are very good, and they can be quite rewarding to build. The
- project of the month is an amplifier built around an 829 tube, believe
- it or not. It's definitely been a learning experience....
- --scott
-