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- From: gkwan@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Greg Kwan)
- Subject: Re: Basic bench equipment query
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- Organization: University of California, Irvine
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- Date: 4 Jan 93 06:10:55 GMT
- References: <2B3582F9.18867@news.service.uci.edu> <BzwHA7.6y@zoo.toronto.edu> <1992Dec27.030536.1024@cmkrnl.com>
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- In article <1992Dec27.030536.1024@cmkrnl.com> jeh@cmkrnl.com writes:
- >In article <BzwHA7.6y@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
- > writes:
- >> In article <2B3582F9.18867@news.service.uci.edu> gkwan@balboa.eng.uci.edu
- >> (Greg Kwan) writes:
- >>>1. Get the best DMM you can--it's the most important test instrument.
- >>>I have a Fluke 77 and have been very happy with it, but would probably
- >>>go for an 87 or 79 now. You'll probably use the freq. counter since
- >>>it's a pain to fire up the scope just to measure a frequency...
- >>
- >> Note, though, that any frequency measurement using something other than
- >> a scope relies heavily on assumptions about waveform. When I first got
- >> my current scope, I hoked up a little audio-frequency square-wave generator
- >> with a 555 as an independent test signal. I was a bit surprised to find
- >> that my frequency counter read twice what the scope showed me.
- >> [...] There is no substitute for seeing exactly what's happening.
- >
- >I'll second this, and LOUDLY, too.
-
- I guess I was remembering my Hitachi V-1150 w/ its built-in frequency
- counter and ``interpolated'' to the Fluke DMMs. Not quite the same, I
- admit. I just hate counting hash marks or moving cursors (I'm REALLY
- lazy :-). Definitely fire up the scope if there's any doubt.
-
- >It appalls me to see frequency counters (and instruments like DMMs that include
- >counters) that have no trigger level control, no input coupling selector (AC or
- >DC), no edge selector (rising or falling). You wouldn't buy a triggered-sweep
- >scope without such controls; of what possible use is a counter without them?
-
- (I'm talking about scopes here.)
- Even better, why not show the trigger level? If I'm remembering right,
- the higher end Tek's (e.g. 2445, 2465, ...) show the trigger level, al-
- though it's just a number (the voltage). The new Fluke 97 actually has
- the trigger voltage superimposed (i.e. a line) on the signal. It doesn't
- seem too difficult to add that feature and yet would help quite a bit.
-
- One reason I don't use auto-setup buttons on scopes is that the scope
- always has a different idea of what I want to see; they'll trigger on
- the noise riding on a signal or something equally bizarre and leave
- the volts and time scales at extremes.
-
- >Anyone who trusts one of these counters without checking the waveform on a
- >scope, if only to get in the right ballpark, is being as foolish as the person
- >who thinks that a digital watch must be accurate simply because it isn't
- >analog.
-
- I don't agree 100% here. I think counters are useful to get an idea of
- what is going on in well behaved circuits. E.g. I'd use it to check AC
- line frequency (60Hz [USA] is not fun to measure with analog scopes--
- too much flicker) or to measure the frequency out of a signal generator
- to make sure you're getting what you expect. Of course, I don't accept
- as gospel every counter reading--just as I don't believe every volt
- meter reading.
-
- IMHO
- greg
-
- gkwan@balboa.eng.uci.edu
-