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- From: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch)
- Newsgroups: sci.crypt
- Subject: Re: Any way to *CREATE* Vcr+ (VCR PLUS) codes??? (please read)
- Message-ID: <29342@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 6 Jan 93 22:04:08 GMT
- References: <1iaa91INNhgr@agate.berkeley.edu> <1993Jan6.193020.9974@linus.mitre.org>
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- Reply-To: curt@kcwc.com (Curt Welch)
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- I wrote:
- >This is at least part of why we stopped working on the codes. It was
- >>taking too much time.
-
- In sci.crypt, ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:
- > Wasn't Gemstar also threatening to sic rabid lawyers on you? Or
- >did that only come later?
-
- Yes. Well actually it came later. We did most the work around July
- and August of 91, and got almost the entire 6 digit algorithm figured
- out then. We were having a lot of problems figuring out the final part
- of the 6 digit algorithm, and I hadn't spend more than a few hours on
- it total over the next few months. At the end of November, in response
- to someone asking about the algorithm on the net, I decided to post my
- version of the program, but I wanted to clean it up some first, so I
- posted a messages saing that I would post the program in about a week.
- At the end of the week, before I posted it, I got a call from Gemstar's
- lawyer. We had multiple conversations with them (the Lawyer - I never
- talked to anyone at Gemstar directly) but nothing every happened. In
- the middle of January, we finally got a letter from them stating that
- they would take no legal action against us (at that time) but implied
- they might if we released our version of the program.
-
- All the advise we got implied that they would have no chance of winning
- a court battle, be we didn't want to take the chance, so we didn't
- release our work. We decided to go with the Crytologia article
- instead.
-
- > When I looked in the front of TVG, I found that the numbers are
- >claimed to be *copyright* by Gemstar. I suspect that selling the
- >numbers to TVG and other publications is another revenue stream for
- >them.
-
- Yes, a big revenue stream.
-
- >(Can you really copyright a number?
-
- You can copyright anything. The question is whether it would
- hold up in court or not. No copyright on just a number would hold up in
- court however.
-
- But you can Copyright a table of numbers and show times that you publish
- (which is what they do). However, it's questionable if they could claim
- infringment if you copied some of those numbers and times and re-publilshed
- them. I'm sure however, that Gemstar would take you to court if they could
- prove that you copied one of they copyrighted listings, and let the court
- decide.
-
- > A possibly relevant note appears in John Dvorak's column in the
- >Jan 12 PC Magazine. To summarize: [...]
-
- Interesting.
-
- > I'm not a lawyer (and neither is Dvorak), but I suspect that
- >this ruling means that a lawsuit from Gemstar against someone who
- >published an algorithm which produced codes with the same values as
- >the VCR+ device would fail, and quickly.
-
- Yes, it sounds that way to me too. But I think the case would always
- had failed - even without the new ruling.
-
- It's only a guess, but I kinda got the impresion that when Gemstar
- was talking to us last year, they were only trying to delay us from
- releasing to code. Maybe they were trying to close some big deals
- with VCR manufacturers and didn't want them to find out that someone
- had broke the code until after the deal was signed?
-
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