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- From: turnerbl@ucbeh.san.uc.edu
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- Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.081522.2421@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>
- Date: 11 Jan 93 08:15:22 EST
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- In article <38177@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu>, djohns@elm.circa.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan4.081435.2354@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> turnerbl@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:
- >
- > # A perception is going around that poor balck students can't learn
- > # because of the schools that they are in. This has been disproved
- > # again and again by the waves of immigrant asian students from poor
- > # schools who still score in the top of their schools as well as top
- > # in the SAT/ACT tests. Students, not schools, make these choices.
- > # It always comes back to the kid.
- >
- > Well, yes, but the kids have to learn their values somewhere. It
- > seems to me that parents have to learn what sort of support kids need
- > to thrive in school (for instance, the TV is off on week nights) and
- > parents have to be collectively strong enough to counter the lure of
- > the peer culture.
- >
- > David
-
- Well, let us assume that, just for a second,that the same student who has the
- brain to strip a car in less than 2 minutes, can assemble a 9mm gun in his
- locker with no one seeing it, can assembele a drug ring including sophisticated
- beeper systems, that this student csn make a choice about education. Now, the
- school's obligation is to be there to meet the needs, to the extent of its
- resources, of every student making the effort to learn. I think that most
- educators in the school systems we are discussing would agree that they are
- making this effort. But where is the loose link? Hmmmmmmmmm We could blame
- the parent, but it is not the parent who is not attending classes, turning in
- homework and acting up in class. It is the student.
-
- See, in my opinion, we have let the student off the hook far too often. Broken
- homes, inner city stresses, peer pressure, yes they do happen in our world.
- But that is just the way it goes! Clearly all of our coddeling has not made a
- difference, so hey, let's try the get tough system and see how it goes, just
- for a while (like maybe the 20 years it took to screw up our old system.)
-
- I tend to think that every student who makes the effort to "make it" can.
- Who's responsibility is it to make the effort? Ultimatly, it is the student.
- Who else could it be?
-
- Brian Turner
- "5 schools and 3 colleges later,
- a tax paying citizen with an attitude
- about education"
-
-