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- Subject: Re: What A White Person Learned in College About AfAm Culture
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.081435.2354@ucbeh.san.uc.edu>
- Date: 4 Jan 93 08:14:35 EST
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- In article <BETSYS.93Jan3210654@ra.cs.umb.edu>, betsys@cs.umb.edu ..
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- > Someone who is going to do college-level Calculus and
- > computer science should be doing Algebra in 7th or 8th grade and
- > should have mastered the basics in grade school.
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- Well, ya know, my understanding is that most schools indeed do try
- to do this, I think there are more than a few problems encountered
- along the way, drugs, guns, assult...
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- > Maybe a few really dedicated exceptionnaly bright kids
- > will fight their way out, but your average kid isn't going to make it.
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- I tend to think this condition is true for all students, not just
- inner city schools though. The same condition is true for
- poor rural schools as well as schools with mixed constituancies
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- > Go out to the rich white suburbs, and every kid is sweating through
- > research papers and enough math and science to meet admission
- > standards of most colleges, whether the kid has an aptitude or not.
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- Not always the best thing either, as a lot of these students
- should have been moved out of college prep into something
- else. I get them when they are in college, and my estimate
- is that about 1/3 should not even BE in college. Remember
- attrition is 50% from the freshmen classes at colleges and
- universities nationwide. What does that say about the prep
- of the so-called "admitted" students?
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- > Go out to the rich white suburbs, and you won't find 1/3 of their
- > kids labelled slow learners or "emotionally disturbed." You won't even
- > find metal shops in the high schools, unless the art classes use them.
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- Not true. I came from one of the "schools of excellence" here
- in ohio. Rich, white, suburban, we had it all (ver nice tax base,
- but too, homeowners who were willing to tax themselves to support
- schools that work, unlike a lot if innnercity districts that either
- have no base (no taxable income) or stoggy old coots who won't
- vote in a levy beccause their kids are out of schools and a
- prperty tax hits em where it hurts.
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- > I think busing is hell on kids, but I'd like to see someone switch
- > the kids in Roxbury with the kids in Lexington. Just take a week and
- > ship all the city kids out and all the suburban kids in. Let the
- > suburban kids play with the leaky radiators, and let the city kids at
- > the fancy computer labs. No later than 5th grade, and for two weeks.
- > I bet you'd get a few more scientists out of that bunch of kids.
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- Why make the kids pay? It's not their fault that their
- parents live one place or another ( tho, I feeel bad for
- students who have two working parents who are stuck in a
- system and deserve better. I really don't feel bad for
- kids who bring guns to schools, assult their teachers,
- sell drugs and join gangs.) A perception is going around
- that poor balck students can't learn because of the schools
- that they are in. This has been disproved again and again
- by the waves of immigrant asian students from poor schools
- who still score in the top of their schools as well as top
- in the SAT/ACT tests. Students, not schools, make these choices.
- It always comes back to the kid.
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- Brian Turner
- Admissions
- University of Cincinnati
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- "opinions are all my own, and nasty remarks will be giggeled at"
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