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- From: fritz@fc.sde.hp.com (Gary Fritz)
- Newsgroups: misc.consumers
- Subject: Bread makers: recommendations?
- Date: 8 Jan 1993 21:00:02 GMT
- Organization: HP SESD, Fort Collins, CO
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- Richard Foulk (richard@pegasus.com) wrote:
- : I've had a DAK machine for several years and I recommend it. I use
- : mine a lot and will buy another when/if I ever wear this one out.
- : One of my friends bought her DAK Turbo 2 (or whatever it's called, I
- : forgot) as reconditioned and is very satisfied.
-
- Geeze. How many times do I have to say this? I **KNOW** lots of people
- have had no problems with their DAKs. The fact that you and your friend
- were happy illustrates the fact. It DOES NOT prove that DAKs overall
- are reliable, or rather, as reliable as non-DAKs.
-
- Given that I've seen, over the past 2+ years,
- - Many happy DAK reports
- - Many UNhappy DAK reports
- - Many happy non-DAK reports
- - NO (zero, zilch, nada, none) UNhappy non-DAK reports --
- until the recent posting from gjsnews@cbnewsj.cb.att.com
-
- ...wouldn't that tend to indicate to you that DAKs might have a
- higher incidence of unhappy owners than non-DAK machines?
-
- : I can get gooey centers with my machine too if I screw up the recipe
- : badly enough. Bet I can do it with any of the other machines too.
-
- Of course you can. You can do it baking bread with your oven, too.
- (Leave out a minor ingredient like "flour" and you might end up with some
- very strange bread. :-) That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
-
- There were several recipes (notably Lemon bread) that we enjoyed a lot,
- and I had made at least 6-8 times in the first 3-4 months we owned our
- Welbilt. Each time it was wonderful, light, flawless bread. I didn't
- mess with the recommended recipe at all.
-
- Suddenly, after about 3-4 months, EACH AND EVERY LOAF of Lemon bread
- was largely unbaked. I made no change in the recipe. In addition,
- a number of other DAK/Welbilt owners reported the SAME problem, ALSO
- after roughly 3-4 months. Doesn't this sound a teensy bit suspicious
- to you? It is NOT the result of my "screwing up the recipe". Yeesh.
-
- : > - The people who had problems with DAK/Welbilt machines have had virtually
- : > NO satisfaction from the DAK and Welbilt "customer service" organizations,
- : I had a problem initially and got fairly good response.
-
- You are correct, I overstated here. The way I worded this makes it sound
- like ALL people were dissatisfied. That's not correct. A *large percentage*
- of people I heard about were dissatisfied.
-
- I gave up on getting mine fixed, and now seldom make bread with my
- machine because I got tired of ruined loaves. A recent poster said
- he went through FOUR DAKs (? Welbilts? I forget) before giving up and
- going to a Hitachi. I remember hearing about a number of others.
- If you choose to ignore this information, that's your choice.
- Prospective buyers may appreciate it.
-
- It absolutely amazes me how hostile-ly (?) people react to the hint
- that possibly the model they bought might have some problems.
- It's not like I'm trying to insult your intelligence or savvy or something.
- I'm just trying to pass on the empirical experience of some people
- on the net for use by people considering buying a machine.
- I acknowledged up front that many people are happy with their DAKs,
- so what's the point in insisting that you're happy with your DAK!?
- The important and useful data is that many net people (and, by my observation,
- a much higher percentage than non-DAK net people) are NOT happy with their DAK.
-
- : I followed the same mailing lists and newsgroups and this claim of
- : `frequent complaints' is an exaggeration, in my opinion.
-
- They didn't happen every day or anything like that. But there was
- an extended, ongoing discussion in the bread-machine list, involving
- many DAK/Welbilt owners, concerning "what do do about gooey DAK bread",
- and it resurfaced a number of times. There were also several recurring
- complaints about DAK/Welbilt customer service and lack of satisfaction.
- Go back and look through the list archives. How many complaints of ANY kind
- do you find about non-DAK machines? (Offhand I don't remember ANY,
- but there may have been a few.)
-
- : I make lots of bread in my old DAK machine and it's still cranking.
-
- Great. You're happy. I'd like to be happy. Want to trade machines??
-
- Actually I'd rather have a non-DAK, even if yours works "fine". In my
- personal experience and the experience of several others I've talked to,
- bread baked in DAK/Welbilt machines is inferior to bread baked in other
- machines. (I've compared the identical recipe in Panasonics, Hitachis,
- and Zojirushis. I felt the crumb and flavor were noticably superior
- in the non-DAKs. One Welbilt-owner friend says his bread is markedly better
- if he kneads the dough in the Welbilt and bakes it in the oven, but
- I haven't tried that yet.) But I'd take a DAK that works "fine" over
- my Welbilt that doesn't.
-
- Gary
-