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- From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk)
- Subject: Re: Bread makers: recommendations?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.165057.6200@pegasus.com>
- Organization: Pegasus, Honolulu
- References: <1993Jan5.133028.21583@nsisrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1ic8brINNs68@hpfcbig.sde.hp.com>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 16:50:57 GMT
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- >: I don't personally own one, but, my brother has a Welbilt model
- >: that came highly reccommended.
- >
- >Different strokes, I guess. I have a low opinion of the DAK/Welbilt machines.
- >Here's my standard posting on that:
- >
- >
- >From my observations of several years of DAK-comments on the net,
- >including following the entire history of the bread-machine mailing list:
- >(note, the list is now defunct, so don't bother asking how to subscribe)
-
- I've had a DAK machine for several years and I recommend it. I use
- mine a lot and will buy another when/if I ever wear this one out.
-
- > - I don't recall EVER seeing a complaint for Hitachi, Panasonic,
- > Zojirushi, et al breadmakers. I DO recall seeing comments and
- > recommendations from *many* happy owners of these machines.
-
- Considering the vast difference in price (until recently) it seems
- likely that DAK and Welbilt have sold many times more units than the
- other folks.
-
- > - Many owners of DAK/Welbilt breadmakers are happy with their machines.
- >
- > - MANY owners of DAK/Welbilt breadmakers are NOT happy with their
- > machines, myself included. I have heard many dozens of complaints,
- > ranging from "it started making gooey-centered bread" to "it locked up
- > while baking, filled my house with smoke, and melted the plastic casing
- > before I got home and pulled the plug on it."
-
- I can get gooey centers with my machine too if I screw up the recipe
- badly enough. Bet I can do it with any of the other machines too.
-
- > - The people who had problems with DAK/Welbilt machines have had virtually
- > NO satisfaction from the DAK and Welbilt "customer service" organizations,
- > ranging from "couldn't call the number, I tried for weeks and it was
- > always busy" to "They sent me back the same machine with no apparent
- > fixes or improvement."
-
- I had a problem initially and got fairly good response. I sent my machine
- in and got a replacement back fairly promptly. This guy is generalizing
- from net hearsay, where people often don't say much unless they have
- a problem.
-
- I've had my machine for several years and am very satisfied, and I
- have several friends that have purchased them on my recommendations
- and are also well satisfied.
-
- > - Many, many people have sent their machines in for repairs and had it
- > replaced, or were so unsatisfied with their machines that they just
- > returned them. My conjecture is that these unsatisfactory machines
- > are "buffed up" and sold as "reconditioned" models. (If they didn't
- > fix the damn things when they were repeatedly sent in for repair while
- > under warrantee, why would they fix them before reselling them?)
-
- Bull. Where does the information come from to be able to say `many, many
- people ...'?
-
- One of my friends bought her DAK Turbo 2 (or whatever it's called, I
- forgot) as reconditioned and is very satisfied. I made several loaves
- of bread with it when she first got it and it worked pretty much just
- like mine.
-
- >My conclusion from the above, AND the frequent complaints on the net
- >about DAK's service, products, hype, etc., is that I would definitely
- >recommend that someone spend the $30 to $100 more to get a *good*
- >breadmaker. Get one that you can enjoy, and avoid the ruined loaves,
- >frustration, returns for repair, etc. It's WORTH the extra money.
-
- I followed the same mailing lists and newsgroups and this claim of
- `frequent complaints' is an exaggeration, in my opinion.
-
- I make lots of bread in my old DAK machine and it's still cranking. The
- only time I get `ruined loaves' is when I'm experimenting with modifications
- to a recipe or something like that ... and if I'm around to watch it bake
- I can usually fix those.
-
- The things aren't perfect, but within bounds they're pretty damn nice.
-
- I used to think that $150 would buy a lifetime supply of bread ...
- but I can't buy bread as nice as the stuff I can bake fresh in my
- kitchen.
-
- Heck, you can buy a breadmaker from DAK and try it for 30 days (45 days
- for a reconditioned one, I think). And if you don't like it for any
- reason you can send it back.
-
-
- [I have no connections with DAK other than as a satisfied customer that
- thinks much of what they sell, other than their bread machines, is kind
- of junky.]
-
- --
- Richard Foulk richard@pegasus.com
-