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- From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss,talk.philosophy.misc,alt.usage.english,alt.society.anarchy
- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
- Message-ID: <930108.131806.9m5.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>
- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 93 13:18:06 GMT
- References: <9LPywB26w165w@mantis.co.uk> <1993Jan7.112550.22626@uwasa.fi>
- Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
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- vinsci@brando.uwasa.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes:
- > mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:
- >> vinsci@brando.uwasa.fi (Leonard Norrgard) writes:
- >> > Unfortunately, I have to use a hoarded X display every day at work.
- >> > The makers of it won't give us sources so we could fix the bugs
- >> > ourselves.
- >>
- >> So why the hell did you buy the damn thing?
- >
- > I wasn't working here at the time they considered X displays. If I
- > were, I'd tried to negotiate better support into the deal or enough
- > technical info to be able to support these things on our own.
-
- So your organization made a stupid decision. Surely that's their lookout?
- Why should everyone have their freedom restricted just to protect your
- organization from the consequences of the decisions it makes?
-
- > If X had been under the GPL, the manufacturer *would have to* give me
- > the source.
-
- More likely, if X had been under the GPL, the manufacturer wouldn't have
- adapted it to run on his hardware, and nor would many other manufacturers.
- You'd probably be running OpenLook or NeWS, with no hope of any sort of
- source, let alone source tailored to your machine.
-
- >> Sounds to me like people have bothered to patch FSF software to work on your
- >> system, but they haven't bothered to patch the free X to work on your system.
- >> So what? There's nothing stopping you from patching X to run on your system,
- >> or paying someone else to do it.
- >
- > You see, there actually is something stopping me, or I would have done
- > it already. Namely, the manufacturer doesn't give out the necessary
- > hardware information either, effectively blocking that path.
-
- Again, if you buy undocumented hardware, what do you expect?
-
- If you want special restrictive licenses to save you from the consequences of
- your organization's actions, let's go the whole hog. Let's include a section
- in the GPL demanding that anyone who distributes GPL code must port it to any
- other system on demand, free of charge. Then people who buy hardware that
- nobody supports won't have to face the consequences of their stupidity.
-
- You'll never have to worry about what hardware to buy. You'll just buy what
- you like, and someone will just *have* to give you ported patched source
- code appropriate for your system, right?
-
- >> What, you mean you didn't take that cost
- >> into account when buying the system?
- >
- > Nice try. The support we have to buy now costs more than it would
- > cost us to port X ourselves (my estimation). By the way, the
- > manufacturer is Digital Equipment Corp. (who participated in
- > developing the original free X), and the product is their VXT 2000
- > X-terminal.
-
- If the support costs are that high, it must be cheaper to sell off all the
- DEC hardware second hand and replace it with something better. Or at least
- something that you know what it does.
-
-
- mathew
-