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- From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
- Newsgroups: gnu.misc.discuss
- Subject: Fund raising at the FSF
- Distribution: world
- Message-ID: <726334555snx@crynwr.com>
- References: <1993Jan5.022956.19008@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Wed, 06 Jan 93 15:35:55 GMT
- Organization: Crynwr Software
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- In article <1993Jan5.022956.19008@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu writes:
-
- Well I hope you excuse me for not giving a diddly fuck for the FSF's
- goal, -- what you describe as freedom of all software, may be more
- felicitously described as FSF's *ownership* of all software under the
- terms of the GPL (read it).
-
- No. The FSF doesn't own all GPL'ed software (example: mine). In a very
- real sense, the software owns itself.
-
- My own personal goal is much more modest, being freedom for all
- men. And until such time as thy wise up and abolish the shackles
- of private property, this goal includes their freedom to
- appropriate. This is a freedom they are explicitly denied by the
- terms of the GPL.
-
- Yup. We also deny people the freedom to give up their freedom. Is
- this reasonable or not?
-
- As a programmer, I see no way to regard a program as free, unless I am
- at liberty to dispose of it as I see fit, whether by donating a copy
- to my batty uncle, or by turning it into a super-secret encryption
- routine. By this standard, GNU is at least as proprietary as System V.
-
- As a businessman, I cannot let my programs become proprietary; how could I
- sell support for them if I can't get the source to modified versions?
- If I did not use the GPL on my programs, I would be in the position
- of funding my competitors.
-
- ME:
- >Your objection that this makes the GNU products not "free" is not
- >compelling. For example, analogies have been made in this thread to
- >people's freedom; however, people's freedom is not without
- >restrictions -- consider stealing and killing, for example.
-
- Please do not be offended if I tell you that my intention is not to
- compel the masses, but merely to persuade those intelligent enough to
- understand my argument. As always, the responsibility to demonstrate
- sufficient intelligence belongs to the recipient. In this particular
- instance, you are not doing terribly well, as is evidenced by your
- remarkably unenlightening parallel between freedom of agents on one
- hand, and freedom of goods or information on the other. I put it this
- way and leave it at that, so that you can vindicate yourself by figuring
- out the salient differences.
-
- Ah. Because you refuse to reflect on the similarities between
- freedom of people and freedom of programs, you can thereby label such
- comparisons unintelligent. "I do not understand you; therefore you
- are stupid."
-
- The GPL, so it is said, is intended to protect the rights of me, the
- user of GNU. It should not come as a surprise that it does so by
- making restrictions of these very rights. Why does it strike this
- blow against my rights? because the FSF needs to do it in order to
- protect my rights.
-
- The purpose of the FSF is to transform software from a product into a
- service. To serve that end, the GPL must disallow the creation of a
- software product. The use of these means seems to mystify you.
-
- Even that would be personally satisfying: I shall have gone on
- record with my statement, and the pregnant silence of my
- interlocutor will bear most eloquent witness to the truth of my
- words.
-
- RMS has gone on record saying that there is no point in trying to
- convince people of the correctness of his ideas by the use of words.
-
- But to continue with the personality thing: RMS is purported to whine.
- If so, he chose a fellow whiner to start the FSF.
-
- Also, I believe that my use of language is perfectly unambiguous;
- however if you insist, I'll paraphrase it by stating that the GPL has
- the effect of automatically extending its scope to encompass any program
- which includes a fragment of code licensed under it, regardless of the
- size or ratio of such inclusion.
-
- The legal doctrine of fair use of a copyright interferes with your
- absolutist statement.
-
- -russ <nelson@crynwr.com> What canst *thou* say?
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