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- From: jbotz@sophia.smith.edu (Jurgen Botz)
- Subject: Re: Fund raising at the FSF
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.200457.17421@sophia.smith.edu>
- Organization: Smith College
- References: <1993Jan2.215318.18942@husc3.harvard.edu> <C0AsFJ.AnF@mtholyoke.edu> <1993Jan3.174518.18964@husc3.harvard.edu>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 20:04:57 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan3.174518.18964@husc3.harvard.edu> zeleny@husc10.harvard.edu (Michael Zeleny) writes:
- >JB:
- >>It /is/ free in the sense of being distributed at no cost---as you stated
- >>above, like TeX you an ftp it from a number of Internet nodes.
- >
- >Insofar as no Internet node can function as the final destination of
- >any program, the fact that GNU is made so available, does not amount
- >to free distribution.
-
- Huh?!? Word games... how about: "insofar as no magnetic tape can
- function as the final destination of any program, if the FSF were
- giving away mag-tapes with GNU on them the software still wouldn't
- be free." The level of semantic distortion to which you stoop is
- sickening...
-
- >Again, I have no ready access to a tape drive
-
- Again? You didn't say that before.
-
- >at my email site. Nor do billions of other potential beneficiaries of
- >the Foundation's munificence.
-
- Billions of other potential beneficiaries? How many people own/have
- access to computers capable of running GNU software?
-
- >Get it through your head, -- most
- >people have no option, but to pay for distribution in one way or
- >another.
-
- Most people? Who are most people? Most people who use Unix software
- that *I* know have access to the Internet or at least have a @#$#@%@#
- modem on their machine and can use UUCP.
-
- >Again, this is not what I find objectionable, except in
- >conjunction with the following.
- >
- >JB:
- >>It also /is/ free "in the sense of being distributed without imposing an
- >>obligation of its /recipient/" (emphasis mine). The obligation imposed
- >>by the GNU public license applies only to those who wish to /redistribute/
- >>GNU software in some form or another.
- >
- >Please try to understand my position. As a sometime programmer, I am
- >placed under an automatic obligation to attach the GPL license to any
- >piece of my code that contains the most minute fraction of GNU, quite
- >regardless of whether I wish to redistribute it.
-
- And clearly when using GNU software you can't be responsible for
- constantly being on guard that a piece of GNU code doesn't suddenly
- slip into one of your programs...
-
- >The fact that a user
- >who never copies, distributes, or modifies GNU, is not placed under
- >restriction in any *remaining* activities, does not imply that he is
- >not placed under a legal *obligation* to FSF. An obligation is a
- >moral or legal bond that restricts or eliminates the possibility of
- >action;
-
- *sigh*... well, then I've got some more news for you. You're already
- under obligation to the FSF, as well as to every other organization
- and individual in the world. You're under obligation not to brake
- into the FSF's offices and physically steal their code, for example.
- And you're under obligation not to violate the GNU license because
- that license is the legal right of the FSF assigned via copyright
- law, *regardless* of whether or not you have ever seen or used a
- GNU program, or touched the distribution medium containing a GNU
- program, or whatever. The obligation is independent of the concept
- of "receiving" the software, using the software, or writing programs
- that are derived from GNU software.
-
- >my difference from Stallman, now as it was over seven years
- >ago, is that I regard his imposition of a *legal* bond as wholly
- >incompatible with the billing of "Free Software".
-
- Well, and I disagree. I say that the software is "Free" in the
- truest sense of the word to most... *I* think of it as free, because
- for my purposes it is free, as free as it gets. If it is not free
- for your purposes... tough, I consider your purposes dishonorable.
-
- - J. Botz
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