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- From: josh@viewlogic.com (Josh Marantz)
- Subject: Re: PC-Xview Remote for Windows and DOS
- Message-ID: <1993Jan8.183351.25665@viewlogic.com>
- Sender: news@viewlogic.com
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- Organization: Viewlogic Systems, Inc.
- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1993 18:33:51 GMT
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- >Anybody out there have used PC-Xview Remote for Windows or for DOS.
- >NCD's brochure claims it's 10 times faster than SLIP or PPP. What
- >applications have you ran on that shows decent performance. Also,
- >anybody used a Silicon Graphics as the host.
- >
- >Thanks in advance.
- >Constantine Orogo, cdost+@pitt.edu
-
- I'm using it quite a bit. Up until recently, I've used their Windows
- version, and been generally happy, although I've had a great deal of
- frustration with the keyboard, especially with respect to the modifier
- keys, auto-repeat, etc. I can go into more detail if you like. It
- may seem like a minor point, but you can get incredibly irritated when
- the keyboard doesn't work right. I've been discussing this problem
- with them for almost a year, since before Spectragraphics was acquired
- by NCD, and things have slowly become more tolerable, but they're
- definitely not there yet.
-
- Believe it or not, one of the things I really liked about the Windows
- version was the Window window-management, which Motif & Open-Look
- could learn a lot from (check out Alt-Tab)! It has excellent
- facilities for keyboard navigation through windows, far better than
- twm, which I was quite happy with before MS Windows. Unfortunately,
- in Windows you can't type into a partially obscured window, which
- really sucks. Of course, being able to access other Windows programs
- while running X clients is probably pretty important to most PC
- people, and overrides other technical considerations.
-
- What would be really cool here is for NCD to supply me an Xlib DLL
- that used Windows DDE to talk to the server, allowing me to do X
- development under Windows. Of course, if you're on Windows, you'll
- probably get better results coding to the Windows API. So there
- probably isn't a market for such a product, although I'd use it.
- Besides, if I want Deskview/X, I know where to find it (Quarterdeck).
-
- I'm using the DOS version now, which has much more of workstation feel
- to it, and better performance than the Windows version. One
- especially nifty feature is that it takes advantage of my 1meg video
- card, even though my screen resolution is 1024x768. When I bump the
- mouse against the top and bottom of the display, it does a lightning
- fast, smooth vertical pan. I can store most of an xterm window
- off-screen, and pan to it with a flick of the mouse.
-
- They provide a Motif-like window manager, which is adequate. I'd
- prefer twm, but it's too slow over the phone line, especially with
- OpaqueMove! It does work, though. I understand that this window
- manager was a Spectragraphics creation from before the merger, and the
- NCD hardware-based local window manager is more powerful. Perhaps
- we'll see that on the PC sometime soon. I definitely would like to
- see the MS Windows keyboard window navigation features integrated in,
- though.
-
- For both the DOS and Windows products, the speed is better than you
- might expect. Emacs seems to run almost as fast through Xremote as it
- does using Kermit, through a 9600 baud modem. But it's better than
- Kermit because I get >24-line windows, the Alt-key works, and I can
- run other X clients. GUI intensive programs are a bit more painful.
- I still do most textual things from Emacs, even when I'm on the Sun
- console. With a little patience, I've been able to do some real work
- with Viewlogic's Electrical CAE tools (schematic capture, mainly).
- But if I were going to design the next generation microprocessor, I'd
- use the native Windows version instead of trying to use the Sun stuff
- the phone line!
-
- Overall, I have a number of quibbles, but PC-Xview is relatively new
- and is improving. It is revolutionary technology, allowing me once
- again to work effectively from home, using hardware that I had on my
- desk already. The last time I could do that was when a vt102 and a
- 1200 baud modem was the state of the art, and the GUI was DEC'S VMS
- equivalent to curses (SMG). With faster modems and digital phone
- lines, the situation will get even better.
-
- I'm curious, has anyone used VisionWare's XVision with Xremote? How
- has your experience compared to mine?
- --
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