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- From: YOUNG@tattoo.cs.widener.edu (Rob Young)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions
- Subject: Re: net.views - dec and alpha
- Date: 13 Jan 1993 05:25:15 GMT
- Organization: Widener News/Mail Gateway
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- In-Reply-To: ajr@pug.hri.com's message of 11 Jan 93 19:45:27 GMT
-
-
- In <AJR.93Jan11144527@pug.hri.com> ajr@pug.hri.com (MFHorn) writes:
- >
-
- >In article <1iq4f0INN9il@chnews.intel.com> bhoughto@sedona.intel.com
- (Blair P. Houghton) writes:
- >> And besides, if they couldn't make money with the Rainbow,
- >> how can they hope to make money with this? The electronics
-
- The line of reasoning above goes something like:
-
- "DEC attempted a new engineering direction with Rainbow and lost
- money with the Rainbow (TRUE). Since this is another attempt at
- going in a new engineering direction, this too shall fail."
-
- Pleeeze, are these two even related? Is the Alpha saddled with
- limited software as the Rainbow was????
-
- >> industry is first and foremost a creature of marketing.
- >> Superwhizzy parts at bargain-basement prices don't sell
- >> themselves well in any context.
-
- Superwhizzy parts may not sell themselves in and of themselves.
- Superwhizzy machines/software/solutions/addyourshere do sell.
-
- >
- >IMHO, Alpha's big selling point is it will run VMS. VAX performance has
- >been falling behind the RISC world, and this will allow their rather
-
- This is somewhat fallacious. VAXes don't do well on the low-end
- of the world and Alpha will turn that around. But even today
- VAXes do quite well when compared to RISC platforms.
- From Open Systems Today's latest offering (1/4/93 page 8 OLTP survey):
-
- VAX 6000-660 number 2 in performance in tpsB
- VAX 4000-100 number 2 in price/perfomance tpsA-Local
-
- and several other VAXes scattered through there. Imagine when they
- benchmark the Alpha/VMS boxes with 4 times the CPU punch ;^).
-
-
- >large installed base to upgrade to a shiny, new, FAST architecture. The
- >transition looks like it'll be pretty smooth so customers won't be scared
- >off. Those sales alone should get DEC back on track. Add new VMS sales,
- >sales for Windows NT and Unix customers and you've got a healthy, growing
- >market.
- >
- >Alpha's not a Rainbow. It's the next leap-frog in the high end RISC
- >arena *and* a new upgrade path for the VAX.
- >
- >I see comp.unix.questions in the list, so I feel obligated to mention
- >that I personally hate VMS. But I'm buying the stock, not the OS..
- >
- Let's look at what Alpha is initially:
-
- 1) 5 different VMS platforms announced on November 10th.
- The low-end machine being a 108 Specmark89 workstation
- for $15,000.
-
- 2) OSF/1 machines scheduled for March/April announcement.
- DEC will reclaim the high-ground from HP with a *higher*
- high-end workstation.
-
- Still to come:
-
- "Lurking behind a cardboard cutout of Captain Kirk during Cisco's
- megabash with a Star Trek theme, I overheard one partygoer outline
- DEC's plans to take Alpha where no processor has gone before. Seems
- a quad-issue version of the Alpha processor is due in December 1993.
- My pals added that the EV-5 eats up about 60 watts.
-
- Later that evening, during an Exploratorium function hosted by TGV,
- I was scratching my head trying to figure out what kind of applications
- would need 275 Specmarks. I mean, the EV-4 is a dual-issue processor
- that already screams."
-
- Rumor Roundup
- Digital News and Review 11/12/93
-
-
- And if you want, you can get a copy of Microprocessor Report Volume 6 Number
- 9 that talks about the 1000 MHz (that is correct, 1 GHz) Alpha coming out
- of DECWRL (Western Research Lab). They will have testable silicon by the
- end of this year. Yeah, another Rainbow alright. Instead of being caused
- by the *Sun*, it will occlude the Sun ;)
-
- Rob
-
-
- young@tattoo.cs.widener.edu
- "Even the street fighters over at Sun are concerned when they look at what's
- happening with Windows. They see the way the market works: The users are a
- bunch of sheep, and Billy [Gates, Microsoft CEO] is the shepherd"
- -- Maureen O'Gara
- Unigram-X editor
-