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- From: andys@flatline.sbi.com (Andy Sherman)
- Newsgroups: comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.unix.sys5.r4
- Subject: Re: It's Time for a Shakedown (was Re: A few answers to Dell Unix FAQ)
- Message-ID: <ANDYS.93Jan11222632@shlepper.sbi.com>
- Date: 12 Jan 93 03:26:32 GMT
- References: <2B4DA665.25B@telly.on.ca> <1993Jan9.175355.14548@sbcs.sunysb.edu>
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- Organization: Salomon Inc
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- In-reply-to: guy@Auspex.COM's message of 10 Jan 93 19:42:43 GMT
-
- >>>>> Somebody wrote:
-
- anon> Come to think of it, Sun unbundled their C compiler because so
- anon> many people were using GCC,
-
- >>>>> guy@Auspex.COM (Guy Harris) replied:
-
- guy> Nope. They unbundled it because they thought most of the
- guy> customers they plan to get for their machines wouldn't know a C
- guy> program if one bit them in the ass - and if they're successful,
- guy> that'll probably be true....
-
- I wish people would stop being so snide about this. Consider a
- business like ours. We have *lots* of Suns (big numbers, but the
- details are probably proprietary). The vast majority of them are
- either end-user workstations or servers running applications. There
- a large number of developer workstations. An unbundled C compiler is
- a big win for us, to the extent that the price of the basic OS goes
- down. Our developers *do* know a C, C++, or F77 program, even if it
- doesn't bite them in the ass. Our end users (by and large) do not.
- They don't have to -- this is an investment bank, not an engineering
- firm.
-
- The same situation exists all over Wall Street, and I'm sure in other
- businesses as well. This situation is not techno-geek failure, it is
- techno-geek success (and yes, I put myself in that category.) The
- only way for Unix(R) to remain a system where most users need a
- bundled C compiler is for Unix to cede the market for end-user
- applications platforms to something else. Auspex surely wants a piece
- of the end-user oriented market, doesn't it? (Check with your
- marketing pukes before answering).
-
- End users won't subsidize the rest of us directly anymore by buying
- bundled compilers they don't need. They *will* subsidize the rest of
- us if they drive volumes up and prices down.
- --
- --
- Andy Sherman
- Salomon Inc - Unix Systems Support - Rutherford, NJ
- (201) 896-7018 - andys@sbi.com or asherman@sbi.com
- "These opinions are mine, all *MINE*. My employer can't have them."
-