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- From: rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler)
- Subject: Re: What makes Unix Special?
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- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 14:34:00 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan9.125052.12247@bronte.boeing.com>, paula@atc.boeing.com writes...
- >
- >Bryan was talking about the NFS automounter known as "amd". Since you seem to
- >have a strong negative opinion of NFS, would you care to compare it with other
- >file-sharing protocols. I'd love to hear NFS contrasted with Andrew, but
- >RFS and DECnet are also somewhat interesting.
- >
-
- Thanks for the info. NFS happens to be hosing my ethernet (I've measured it),
- so I've some to agree with all the folks who told me it would. I don't know
- anything about RFS (what is it, please?). DECnet (available from a lot of
- vendors on a lot of systems, despite being "DEC"net) capabilities vary from
- implementation to implementation, even from DEC. Startup of a DECnet
- connection can be slow if steps are not taken to speed it up. "file sharing"
- under DECnet simply comes from it's ability to suport file opens/creates across
- a network, allowing record by record (or byte by byte) manipulation of a file
- on a remote system. Systems that employ locking techniques within the file
- system will typically enforce those locks on the system where the file resides.
- (Boy, is that a brief rundown).
-
- DFS is an NFS-like file sharing implemented on top of DECnet. It has better
- performance in many aspects, but I've only seen it implemented on VMS, and I
- don't know anyone whose actually using it.
-
- We rely on VMScluster between our VMS machines, which not only gives us
- location transparency, it also give us distributed locking (all nodes see
- all locks of interest), and does not hose the ethernet (I've measued it, too).
- Of course, you absolutely must have VMS to use it.
-
- We use LAST between our DOS and VMS machines, also available for UNIX, OS/2,
- and Mac. It works and doesn't seem to be hosing our ethernet, but it doesn't
- currently give you UNIX-to-UNIX like NFS.
-
- >Mr. Koehler seems to imply that NFS is a particularly ineffecient protocol.
- >OK. That may be true. Is there another file-sharing protocol that's as
- >widely available as NFS and uses network bandwidth more effectively? I
- >have a busy net, and will be happy to listen to suggestions for ways to
- >improve service to my users.
-
- If I knew of any widely avialable alternatives do you think I'd still be
- using NFS? I have to have something that will tie together HP-UX, Ultrix, AIX,
- optionaly VMS, and soon DOS, as well as possibly Mac.
-
- NFS was of course, built on top of TCP/IP. TCP/IP being meant to survive
- possibly noisy wide area communications simply may not be as good a choice for
- a reasonably clean LAN as some of the other protocols. If NFS had been built
- on top of something else (like adding a layer or 2 to sit right on top of
- Ethernet) it might be more efficient, but then you would loose wide-area NFS,
- or have to have NFS implemented over at least 2 protocols.
-
- Of course, I'm watching the ISO/OSI space for capabilities in this area, but
- I'm not holding my breath. Someday soon I hope to have at least FTAM running
- between two disimmilar OSs.
-
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- Bob Koehler | Any illusion to these opinions being other
- rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov | than just mine alone is just that.
-