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- From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
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- Subject: Re: Stallman and friends
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- Date: 8 Jan 93 01:24:02 GMT
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- In-reply-to: lsr@taligent.com's message of 6 Jan 93 02:58:32 GMT
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- In article <lsr-050193184857@lsr.taligent.com> lsr@taligent.com (Larry Rosenstein) writes:
-
- >I've read this argument before and I still don't buy it. Even if someone
- >uses public domain code the original code is still in the public domain.
- >If you take PD code and modify it you are adding value to the code.
-
- RMS has reason to believe otherwise. Ask him about Macsyma sometime.
- Macsyma was developed at the MIT AI lab using government funding and
- was commonly held by the programmers there to be in the public domain.
- Then Symbolics negotiated a deal with MIT wherein MIT transferred the
- copyright to Symbolics. MIT stopped making the code publically
- available, and Slime sued anybody who tried to use it.
-
- You could argue that what occurred was illegal, and you'd be right.
- You could also point out that, at least the last time I heard, it was
- possible to get a copy of MacSyma if you knew who to ask.
- Unfortunately, the result is the same - Macsyma is effectively dead
- and forgotten by the majority of the computer community, and a lot of
- really clever hackers were so pissed off at each other that they would
- cross the street to avoid each other.
-
- (I know I'm going to get flamed for this, because what I've said is
- third hand information - I wasn't there. However, this is the story
- as I heard it, and I'm sure that there's a lot of truth to the story,
- and I'm quite sure that this story is the root reason why the FSF is
- so strongly against donating their code to the Public Domain with no
- strings attached. Hopefully, if you feel inclined to flame me for
- being inaccurate or biased, you'll allow yourself to calm down and
- simply describe things as you experienced them, with the understanding
- that I don't claim to be telling a terribly accurate history.)
-
- >That's true. But you also have to heed the warnings other people have
- >mentioned. If you look at the sources for GCC and then write your own
- >compiler using information contained there, the resulting code could fall
- >under the GCC license agreement, depending on how close it is to the
- >original.
-
- That is so ridiculous that it really doesn't even dignify a response.
- The FSF is totally against what you are describing, and it's in their
- charter. If they were to make a claim on that basis, a competent
- lawyer could get it thrown out of court at the preliminary hearing
- simply by presenting a copy of the FSF's charter.
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