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- From: hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu)
- Subject: Re: Sozobon (or other free C's): would this strategy work?
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- Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1993 22:30:44 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan5.023237.18823@cs.yale.edu> bobf@flint.geology.yale.edu (Bob Fischer) writes:
- >J R Evans (ngse18@castle.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
- >: I week or so back, I offered the suggestion that it might be a
- >: reasonably modest task to convert Sozobon C (a fairly small K&R C for
- >: the Atari) to work on the Mac. There has been some follow-up
- >: discussion....
- >
- >The outlined strategy may work, but I'm not so sure it's a good idea.
- >If I were going to port a C to the Mac, I'd do GNU C, and port it "the
- >right way". Sure it's huge, but as you said, memory on the Mac isn't
- >such a big deal anymore. The smallest Mac you can buy nowadays is 2
- >Mbytes, more than adequate for GCC. My reasons for this assessment
- >follow:
-
- >* GCC runs on many systems, including a zillion flavors of UNIX,
- >MS-DOS, and the Atari ST. Therefore, a program written in GCC is more
- >likely to work on other systems than a program developed with _any_
- >other C compiler (like, say, SUN's compiler, or Mark Williams C). A program
- >written with one GCC need only be compiled by another GCC to provide an
- >easy port. Potential problems of hidden compiler incompatibilities
- >between systems are eliminated.
-
- Not necessarily, some brain-dead CPU architectures still require weird
- machine-specific #pragma's to control their behavior. (Look at the i386
- support for GCC, for a notable example...)
- >
- >* GCC is backed by the Free Software Foundation. This is not a
- >program which will lose support when one or two people taking care of
- >it decide to do something else. (I know. I wrote The Vault, and now
-
- As others have already mentioned, the FSF is vehemently opposed to having
- GNU software ported to Apple platforms.
-
- >* Finally, the most compelling reason is that I think that GCC would
- >be the easiest to port! GCC was written in a modular way, so that it
- >can be ported to any system, running any instruction set. What
- >porting it consists of is describing, in GCC's machine-description
- >language, the properties of your computer's instruction set. The code
- >generators and optimizers use this information to generate code for
- >your computer. Adding a new machine description to GCC does does not
- >eliminate the possibilities for GCC to generate code for other
- >machines. (This means that GCC can be easily used as a cross-compiler
- >--- build the standard distribution to run on one system, but to
- >produce code for another.) Since someone has already described the
- >68000 instruction set to GCC, you would just have to modify the
- >description, to make it work with the Mac quirks (like the special
- >status of A5). To encourage people to port GCC, Richard Stallman
- >(author of GCC) has written a 190-page manual describing in detail how
- >to port GCC. I don't believe any other program comes with such
- >carefully written porting instructions.
-
- It probably would be pretty simple to customize the m68k description to
- support the Mac. Especially given that the Atari ST port now also uses
- a global data pointer (I chose a4 instead of a5; TOS clobbers a5 during
- a Supexec call). However, I don't see any reason to undertake this port.
- What's the ultimate purpose of this effort, just to have a freeware C
- compiler on the Mac?
- --
- -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA
-
- There's a rough border between genius and insanity, but I'm a dual citizen.
-