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- From: markw@antimatr.hou.tx.us (Mark Whetzel)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.rt
- Subject: Re: SCSI-DISKS
- Summary: Ah.. These more open systems have spoiled people
- Message-ID: <73@antimatr.hou.tx.us>
- Date: 6 Jan 93 06:04:12 GMT
- References: <1992Dec27.195328.125@vms.huji.ac.il> <C0E5wM.943@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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- In article <C0E5wM.943@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, shair@barolo.cso.uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) writes:
- > mark@physchem.ox.ac.uk (Mark) writes:
- > >In article <1992Dec27.195328.125@vms.huji.ac.il>, allon@nesher.fh.huji.ac.il (Allon herman) writes:
- > >> I am trying to install a non IBM scsi disk on my RT (running AOS 4.3).
- > >> I am also aware that there has been recently a discussion regarding this
- > >> topic in this newsgroup. I will be most thankful to the person who can
- > >> tell me if and where can I find old articles that were posted on this
- > >> newsgroup.
- > >
- > >The fact that it is a not an IBM SCSI disk shoulod have no effect. SCSI is a
- > >standard. If it is a SCSI drive and it does not work with a SCSI
- > >controller, one of the devices does not meet the SCSI standard.
-
- Not true.. As Bob Shair said below, ANSI standards do allow for two electricly
- incompatible interface styles. Also, different adapters have different
- maximum data transfer rates, and not all adapters supported async and
- syncronous transfer modes. Most modern controllers do now, but that
- was not always the case. The RT adapter supported both transfer modes
- and up to 3.5M Bytes per second. I believe that this was improved on
- later versions of the IBM SCSI adapter.
-
- > Let's not forget the difference between Differential SCSI, as implemented on
- > the RT and several minicomputers, and Single-Ended SCSI, on the PC, Mac,
- > RS/6000 and other workstations. They are not electrically compatible;
- > the only difference which I understand between them is that Differential
- > SCSI allows longer distances (the RT SCSI disks were in racks external
- > to the cabinet).
-
- Single-ended SCSI uses only one signal wire for each control signal.
- Differential-SCSI uses two wires in a push-pull driving pair for each
- control signal. This allows better noise immunity, and the longer driving
- distance from the computer.. up to 25 Meters.
-
- > I've heard that there are 3rd-party converters (black boxes?) which allow
- > these to be intermixed, but have no experience with them.
-
- True. The boxes and internally mounted converter boards from
- Rancho Technology work quite well for this task. There are also at least
- two other vendors making single<->differential converters that I know about.
-
- I have used non-IBM disks on an RT running AIX 2.2.1.
- I have run HP 9" disks, Maxtor 5.25" disks, and Fujitsu 5.25" SCSI disks on
- an RT running AIX, as well as other SCSI disks from several manufacturers.
-
- I also have running today at my office, HP 88780A 9-track tape drives,
- Exabyte 8MM tape drives, and Fujitsu 3480 compatible tape drives on several
- of our RT's running AIX 2.2.1. We had to write our own driver for the tape
- drive support.
-
- AIX and VRM can be tricked into running OEM disks, without too much trouble.
- While it is awkard to get the OEM SCSI disks initially running, once you do,
- they work fine, just stay away from drives bigger than 1 Gigabyte.
- VRM just gets completely lost and wraps accesses over 1 Gig back to
- cylinder 0, destroying the minidisk partition table. I believe this to
- be a bug in the SCSI driver software, not a hardware problem.
-
- People need to understand IBM's methods when the IBM RT was developed.
- You buy a IBM computer, you get IBM devices to attach to it. This was true
- of several major makers of computer equipment at that time.
-
- IBM only supported for attachment by the SCSI interface (at least for AIX,
- not sure about AOS), the IBM 9332 external disk drive on the RT.
- The disks came in either 200 or 400 MByte capacity drives. We had an RT 125
- on evaluation once, and it had one of the external table top 9332 drives on it.
- They were monster drives with 11 inch in diameter platters, and were
- available in standalone table top cabinets, or rack mounted.
- The internal drive electronics for those drives had special extended command
- sets that supported IBM diagnostics, and also the ability for the RT to
- download new microcode to the drive. The drives came preformatted with
- VRM partition table information already written to the drives.
-
- The drives can be only used for DATA filesystems, /, /usr, /tmp and /u
- filesystems were not allowed to be placed on the SCSI disks.
- Initial IPL support did not understand the SCSI controllers. The
- "varyon" command brought in the proper support for the SCSI disks. into
- the running AIX kernel.
-
- Later,
- markw
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